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Post by leeli on Aug 17, 2007 23:55:31 GMT 3
I want to point out one thing since here is so much hatred towards Chinese on this forum because of the Chinese occupation of part of the steppe. That is the Chinese occupation of Tibet, east turkistan, and mongolia was reactive in nature. Being a agricultural society, there was really nothing attractive in these regions for han Chinese dynasties. On the contrary, the richies of China attracted numorous raids by the Xiongnu and other nomatic people living on the steppe. To deal with these raids, Chinese empirors had no choice but taking control of these regions. That is why until last century there was no significant Chinese han immigraton into these regions. That's why it makes me feel sick when I hear Tibetans and Uyghurs presenting themselves as victims. If they managed to conquer inland china for good, there must be many Tibetans and Uyghurs boasting their golary on this forum. But you know what, China is rising and old steppe warrior nations are fading, so you need to wait another thousand years to see all the rivers to ran backward.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Aug 18, 2007 0:42:21 GMT 3
Attempts of Chinese to justify the occupation of the non-Han lands are pathetic.
Aggression of Chinese and the steppe peoples was both ways throughout the history.
Nomadic attacks on China often responded to Chinese advances into areas suitable for both nomad pastoralism and for settled agriculture.
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 18, 2007 1:15:26 GMT 3
China often attempted to control the areas which the silk road ran through, that is modern Uyghurstan. so you can't say Nomads had nothing in fact they had something that the Chinese wanted - control over the silk road.
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Post by leeli on Aug 18, 2007 2:51:30 GMT 3
Man, you have to learn your history book again. China never cared about trading with outside world. That's why it is called "Silk" road because Romans and Persians needed silk! Chinese emperors didn't give a horse's ass whether the silk road was open or not.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Aug 18, 2007 3:56:30 GMT 3
Obviously this Chinese doesn't know much of his own history.
Talking about the "horse's ass"... Did he forget about the much-appreciated "Heavenly horses" that were imported by China from Central Asia?
The wor "trade" means the EXCHANGE of the products and goods, not just the one-way export. If one side "never cared" about the trade, it would not trade at all. Romans and Persians didn't occupy China and didn't force them to trade, that means Chinese were interested in trade and exchanged goods in turn.
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Post by leeli on Aug 18, 2007 16:21:19 GMT 3
yes, China traded goods with central asia but never to a point that was worth a war. You are the one need to learn history. It was the northern tribes that raided deeper and deeper into China. According to your logic, any land fit for horse grazing should be yours, right? How many time the nomadic horsemen reached the heart land of Chinese culture? I feel like I am still talking to the barbaric people who slaughtered women and childern centuries ago.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Aug 18, 2007 22:46:14 GMT 3
Chinese slaughtered no less women and children of the nomads and Chinese military expeditions reached in the heartlands of both the steppe and the sedentary Turkistan.
Stop portraying yourself as being victims. It's pathetic and laughable.
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 18, 2007 23:01:04 GMT 3
Chinese are well known as a people who like to trade, just look at the massive presence of Chinese people in Indonesia and Singapore. Chinese also wanted to control the western trade via the steppe so they often created protectorates in the 7 cities area and transoxania. selling silk to the romans was a very profitable trade. even the chinese word for goods today is dongxi, meaning "east to west". i'm sure you know this.
aggressions between the Steppe people and the Chinese dynasties were mutual.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2007 9:30:24 GMT 3
Stop portraying yourself as being victims. It's pathetic and laughable. I see it everyday. |
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Post by leeli on Aug 20, 2007 18:59:05 GMT 3
I am not calling anybody victims. Tibetans and Uyghurs are our fellow brothers and sisters. I have tibetan blood myself. People with ambition are fanning the flame of hatred between han and non-han people in China. We will not fall into the trap. Stop portraying yourself as being victims. It's pathetic and laughable. I see it everyday. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2007 19:30:39 GMT 3
Tibetans and Uyghurs are our fellow brothers and sisters. d**n, typical bullnuts Chinese propoganda. Ban this mother f**ker. |
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Post by leeli on Aug 20, 2007 23:20:41 GMT 3
Feramez211, Be cool man. You get excited so easily. Banning people with different perspective will only make you live in the nutshell you create for yourself. I hope we can all come here and learn history not to go back in time but move on with new inspiration. Some people here talked about the world has changed in terms of how wars were fought but the way I see it, more importantly, values have been changed. That's why religious and racial fanatics don't have a chance to succeed in today's world. That is why all the old civilizations (islamic and oriental) are falling behind. Behaving in the way you just did only hurts the nation and people you claim you love so much. Regards, Leeli Tibetans and Uyghurs are our fellow brothers and sisters. d**n, typical bullnuts Chinese propoganda. Ban this mother f**ker. |
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 21, 2007 0:16:28 GMT 3
I am not calling anybody victims. Tibetans and Uyghurs are our fellow brothers and sisters. I have tibetan blood myself. People with ambition are fanning the flame of hatred between han and non-han people in China. We will not fall into the trap. you do that yourself. it's the Han who have ambitions, the only ambition of the "non-Han" is freedom from Han surpression. |
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 21, 2007 4:01:56 GMT 3
I think humanity(=huns) need to talk about Chinese occupation of the world! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2007 9:48:59 GMT 3
Feramez211, Be cool man. You get excited so easily. Banning people with different perspective will only make you live in the nutshell you create for yourself. I hope we can all come here and learn history not to go back in time but move on with new inspiration. Some people here talked about the world has changed in terms of how wars were fought but the way I see it, more importantly, values have been changed. That's why religious and racial fanatics don't have a chance to succeed in today's world. That is why all the old civilizations (islamic and oriental) are falling behind. Behaving in the way you just did only hurts the nation and people you claim you love so much. Regards, Leeli But you're a Chink, and the Uygurs and Tibetans are not your brothers and sisters. The Uygurs and Tibetans don't think so either so don't believe what your piece of nuts government tells you. |
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