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Post by tangriberdi on Sept 9, 2007 22:03:45 GMT 3
The only land given to the Kurds will be 2 meters under the ground. They can go anywhere they want, but no independent state will be founded on our lands. That is good. If we Turks will keep, the very, the same mentality on the unity and individibility of the country, then we should be ready to live under a Kurdish-predominated country. If you say, Turkey will never be divided, you should face the fact that Turkey is no longer Turkey with a huge Kurdish population and with a trivial minority of Turks within 20 years due to massive Kurdish increase in population. Now they make a 20-30% of the population, now we cannot get rid of a pro Kurdish government like AKP thanks to intensive Kurdish supporters of AKP. You cannot see the fact that everything in Turkey is in favour of Kurds and against Turks. Increasing population of Kurds will strengthen their influence inb our country, which eventually lead us to lose the control over our own territory. Kurds do not only increase in number but also spread throughout the country. They take over the hegemony and sovereignty graduallly, without any special requirement of getting separated from Turkey. They Kurdicize Turkey, They Kurdistanize Turkey. How much consent to that situation is available in your mind and heart? Just emotional opposition to the division of Turkey and to the refoundation of a homogeneous Turkic country in Anatolia is in vain. By the time going, you will see that you will be deprived of required power to oppose Kurdish takeover in the country. To solve the problem regarding Kurds and Kurdicization in Anatolia, we need whatever more than some emotional opposition to the division of the country. You are propable aware of that Turkey cannot use military power to solve this problem anymore due to EU restrictions and beyond these restrictions , international conjuncture will never approve any kind of violation against Kurds . Furthermore, you can never send millions of Kurds (approxiamtely 20-30%of total population for now) to any other country because there is no such country which will open her gates to such a crowded group of people. We never committed a genocide. So it is really clear that we can never get rid of such a big Kurdish population unless we would not hit Diyarbakýr Van and some other mostly Kurdish inhabited cities by nukes. That would be an inhumane resolution whose other name is Genocide. So, if you cannot send them, if you cannot nuke them up, if you could not assimilate them into mainstream Turkish society for 80 years -without any consideration of Ottoman era- and if it appears that you will never be able to assimilate them with their ever increasing population, what would be your solution. Division of Turkey is inevitable , because we real and logical and reasonable Tuyrks will not LET ANATOLIA BE KURDICIZED. Your opposition is in vain. Your opposition leads us to have more deaths . Just see Yemen. What happened there? Remember? We also said that Yemen was a Turkish territory and we launched a comprehensive and extensive war against Yemeni separatists. The result was the deaths of thousands of Anatolian Turkmens just for Arabian desserts. We will not repeat the same fault for Kurdish mountains. We do not want Kurds take over the Western Anatolia . Your claim causes to lose Western Anatolia as well. According to census held in 1927, it is clear where Kurdish inhabited is and where is not. So division is necessary. i17.tinypic.com/61kqf0p.gifThe link above shows the places we can give Kurdistan , green colour. And you can see Kurdish claims on our territory by googling Kurdistan Map Compare and contrast and consider well that we can get rid of Kurds and we can rscue and save Anatolia from a total Kurdicization and Kurdification by giving them only Kurdish inhabited areas according to 1927 census. Or that will cost us much more, perhaps the loss of our hegemony on Anatolia. |
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Post by Temüjin on Sept 9, 2007 22:21:33 GMT 3
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Post by tangriberdi on Sept 9, 2007 22:37:48 GMT 3
I meant these ones: Claims on our territory: www.xoybun.com/gallery/albums/Kurdistan_Map/Nexise_Kurdistane_1.jpgAnd this one www.pdk-xoybun.com/nuceimages/Newroz_Kurdistan_PDK_Xoybun_1.jpgAll Turkey is shown as a part of Kurdistan and Western Anatolia shown as a autonomous region called The region of Peoples' Union (That can be understood as there would be Kurds there too). They made too much way to reach such a solution. I believe it. So my suggestion sounds salvation: i17.tinypic.com/61kqf0p.gifSome nationalist Turks will have to get used to that idea, if they are really nationalists. They should remember that Ataturk was one who prposed Ottomans to retreat to more homogeneous Turkish lands and so to guarantee the existence of the country. Every retreat means another attack, another resurrection. Or by this tough policy of intransigence , Turkish nationalist will enable Kurds to walk to deeper parts of Anatolia , which will be really dificult to extract them back to where they come from. Turkish nationalists have to options. One: let Kurds spread all over the country as they wish, and let them increase and Turks may decrease in number . Two: Separation and division is considerable. That is the truth, no matters how some people get angry with me and with that opinion/suggestion. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2007 13:25:09 GMT 3
Freeing kurds??? If they will get own state, it will be similar like Somalia is now. Are you commie, btw? It doesn't come to your mind that some Chinese can raise the same argument about the Eastern Turkestan. Yes sometimes they do but they don't realize the differenc of the two situations. Kurds have never had their own nation or empire, the Uygurs have had both their own nation and empire; Turks took "their land" as well as many other people's land way back in the days of building empires a couple thousand years ago, China took Uygurs' land 60yrs. ago; Kurds aren't mistreated by Turks, Uygurs are treated like nuts in their own nation; Kurds have and still do attack civilians. The Uygurs attack military ad government targets, not civilians; Uygurs don't even identify their case to be the same as the Kurds, they too know the differences. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2007 13:32:19 GMT 3
Giving them their land is the best way to solve this problem. Anyother way we do it the whole world will get on us and call it genocide. So we give them land, "for free". Which means in the future they become our little sleeper nation and do what we tell them to do. We do to them what the west does to us and otehr nations. Give them what they want and need for now and later they owe us even more. This'll happen because nothing is for free and what resources do they have in their region? Not much so they're going to come to us for hand outs.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 10, 2007 22:59:13 GMT 3
Tangriberdi, why all of your posts are only about the kurds? This forum is about Steppe History.
About giving lands to kurds. I do not support this idea any more because:
1) We lost several thousand soldiers there
2) It will only serve American Imperialism, nothing else
3) kurds do not deserve a country. They are nothing but worth of being slaves.
Let me remind you that the hatred towards kurds is also growing in Turkey. Many liberal or even social-democrat people I have known have become anti-kurds. Besides, the Circassians and Laz also started hating the kurds. So if things will continue to go on like this, the kurds are going to have a very hard time in the Western cities, so kurdification will probably slow down.
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Post by kokturk on Sept 16, 2007 1:19:19 GMT 3
I heard that the EU will accept 20 million immigrants. Why don't Kurds go there? Tangriberdi, why all of your posts are only about the kurds? This forum is about Steppe History. I also wonder this. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 16, 2007 1:43:56 GMT 3
I heard that the EU will accept 20 million immigrants. Why don't Kurds go there? Yes, that would be very good, the Europeans seem to like the kurds  Of course, because they like anything anti-Turkish. (By "European", I mean the politicians of Western and Northern European countries) |
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Sept 16, 2007 13:36:43 GMT 3
I heard that the EU will accept 20 million immigrants. Why don't Kurds go there? Yes, that would be very good, the Europeans seem to like the kurds Of course, because they like anything anti-Turkish. (By "European", I mean the politicians of Western and Northern European countries) I dont want more kurds to here! |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 16, 2007 20:51:05 GMT 3
I wish all the Europeans were like you, in this topic.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Sept 16, 2007 22:15:41 GMT 3
I wish all the Europeans were like you, in this topic. I am european just geographically my friend. ))))) Anyway, concerning kurds here... There is one pro-kurdish activist, Ville Komsi, who is Finnish. he defended kurds many years, and how kurds thanked him? They stabbed him and he almost died. It explains alot... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2007 12:07:26 GMT 3
Ha, what was their reason to stab him? Does he still support them?
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Sept 17, 2007 12:43:28 GMT 3
Ha, what was their reason to stab him? Does he still support them? Well, reason was unknown. Some says that mr. Komsi tried to explain to kurd man that he cannot kill his wife. He still supports them. Masochist, I would say... |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 18, 2007 0:47:39 GMT 3
Just an idiot, I would say |
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Sept 18, 2007 16:12:32 GMT 3
Just an idiot, I would say Well, those humanists imagines to be noble, when they choose some nation and starts to defend that... |
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