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Kypchak
Sept 22, 2006 21:37:26 GMT 3
Post by Atabeg on Sept 22, 2006 21:37:26 GMT 3
well I might be My gretgrandfathers both come fom ahiska modernday georgia. Before the ottoman rule there were the kypchak atabegs who ruled them I allso read some were that the Ahiska turks Look more like Kypchak rather than oghuz turks.
could It be?
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Kypchak
Sept 23, 2006 3:01:23 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Sept 23, 2006 3:01:23 GMT 3
Yes it could. Dduring the rule of King David in Georgia 40 000 Kypchak families were invited to live and to protect.
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Kypchak
Sept 23, 2006 6:26:05 GMT 3
Post by Atabeg on Sept 23, 2006 6:26:05 GMT 3
Yes it could. Dduring the rule of King David in Georgia 40 000 Kypchak families were invited to live and to protect. when I read that I began to well wonder. I'm probably a mix pf both or more. Locals never had trouble with georgians so intermarring happend I think |
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Kypchak
Sept 23, 2006 13:14:24 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Sept 23, 2006 13:14:24 GMT 3
Yes and Kypchaks are not allowed to marry people from the same tribe. Nice to see you bro...
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Kypchak
Sept 23, 2006 20:00:07 GMT 3
Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 23, 2006 20:00:07 GMT 3
Caucasia has always been a mixing pot of peoples ;D
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Kypchak
Sept 27, 2006 13:32:03 GMT 3
Post by Atabeg on Sept 27, 2006 13:32:03 GMT 3
Caucasia has always been a mixing pot of peoples ;D so was anatolia and still is. why is it that some parts of the world are multicultural and some not . I mean in the past nowadays everywere is. I has to do something with trade i think |
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Kypchak
Oct 29, 2006 21:55:43 GMT 3
Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 29, 2006 21:55:43 GMT 3
Now this is strange: according to Tabarî (Bal'amî edition, IV, p.269) and Ibnu'l-Athîr (V, 110), the Khazars beated back an Umawwid invasion in the year 722-723 with the help of the Qïpchaqs and some other Turkic tribes/peoples  Is this true? I did not know and think that the Qïpchaqs existed as a separate people in the 8th century. Is it possible that Bal'amî and Ibnu'l-Athîr might have confused some Turkic peoples with the Qïpchaqs? |
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Kypchak
Apr 27, 2007 23:37:02 GMT 3
Post by Atabeg on Apr 27, 2007 23:37:02 GMT 3
you mean other Turkic peoples misstaking for kypchaks
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Kypchak
Apr 29, 2007 22:31:42 GMT 3
Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 29, 2007 22:31:42 GMT 3
Yes, exactly, because that book was written several centuries later.
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Post by Atabeg on May 4, 2007 22:04:25 GMT 3
Yes and Kypchaks are not allowed to marry people from the same tribe. Nice to see you bro... I thought they needed to be like 8th generation in between and then it was okay |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on May 4, 2007 23:43:57 GMT 3
It's OK to intermarry unless you're closer than 7 generations ("Jeti Ata")
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Post by Atabeg on Jun 2, 2007 1:18:19 GMT 3
aha yeah that was it.  I'm verry ad to hear that middle eastern traditions are deluding ours mostly in east Turkey |
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Kypchak
Aug 22, 2007 16:39:15 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Aug 22, 2007 16:39:15 GMT 3
marriage with a person who is far far relative even in 8th generation could be called invalid if the elders will say so.
How do we check it? We have a "Shirdje"(Family tree). The head of the family has the responsibility for keeping it. so we don't get a mixed marriage.
But we have a joke. If you start to speak with Kazakh for too long you may find out that you are a distant relative to him or he is to you!!! ;D
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Kypchak
Aug 22, 2007 21:45:02 GMT 3
Post by BAWIR$AQ on Aug 22, 2007 21:45:02 GMT 3
How do we check it? We have a "Shirdje"(Family tree) "Shejire" (from Arabic Shajara) |
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Kypchak
Aug 22, 2007 22:18:50 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Aug 22, 2007 22:18:50 GMT 3
How do we check it? We have a "Shirdje"(Family tree) "Shejire" (from Arabic Shajara) Do you have one? |
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Is this true? I did not know and think that the Qïpchaqs existed as a separate people in the 8th century. Is it possible that Bal'amî and Ibnu'l-Athîr might have confused some Turkic peoples with the Qïpchaqs?
