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Kypchak
Apr 12, 2005 19:57:00 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Apr 12, 2005 19:57:00 GMT 3
Can some one enlighten me on the topic about Kypchaks! Because it we look closer to them we will find a mass number of historical events linking Kypchaks world history!
I recon that Kypchaks changed the couse of world history. Who disagree with me?
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Kypchak
Apr 16, 2005 21:08:33 GMT 3
Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 16, 2005 21:08:33 GMT 3
Hi Nomad, welcome to the forum!  What exactly do you want to know? Hmm please explain us how that happened  |
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Apr 17, 2005 9:48:12 GMT 3
Thank for replying for this topic!
Fewdays ago I was searching for some information on Kipchaks and any related subject. I noticed your forum and was suprised to find out such an intresting conversations on this forum.
I said that Kypchak influenced the history and I mean it.
The first note about kipchaks were found 300 AD I think so as Kipchaks splited from HUNS. In some information their were found 210 BC through some Chineese Notes.
Now days we can find Kypchaks in Egypt, Irak, Iran, Georgia, Bolgaria, Russia, Uzbekistan, Kyrgizstan, Azerbaizhan, Kazakstan & China. In all this countries we can find books devoted to them, archaeological items, and notes in history books. More over in most of the nations kipchaks made historical changes.
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Kypchak
Apr 18, 2005 23:29:20 GMT 3
Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 18, 2005 23:29:20 GMT 3
You're welcome You can also introduce yourself in the Meeting Hall so that we can know more about you  Hmm never heard this before, where did you read this? The Qïpchaqs/Kypchaks were not a separate people until the late 10th century as far as I know. Before that, they were a part of the Kimek people. That's *almost* right |
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Apr 20, 2005 6:04:10 GMT 3
In Tsujshe historians comes to very similar tribe names that they addmit could me mentioning Kypchak. "Tsujshe are first listed among people conquered by Maotun in 201 BC" In 510 they appear as the members of Turik Kaganate and lived in Altai, Djailau. But they didn't make it to the 10 Arrows of Kaganate and were not recognized therefore they didn't get the autonomy. Kipchaks and Enisei Kirgizes were neighbors for 800 years in Upper Ob and Western Sayans. After the collapse of Turik Kaganate. Kipchaks move to Upper Irtysh and E. Kazakhstan steppes under pressure from China and Uygurs. Kirgizes joined the Khazars(669) and after they lost to Shambat and Asparukh they fleed to Bashtu(Kiev) while Kypchaks restored the Turik Kaganete (679) and renamed it into "Kok Turik Kaganate". It was know that Kypchaks ruled the Kaganate. Later they mixed with Kangars.(692) In 9th century Kimek Kaganete was established until 1235. I don't understant one moment! It is known that Kypchaks fought with Kyrgizs for centuries. In 844 Kyrgiz lead to the collapse of Uigur Kaganate. How did the moved from top of the map to the bottom. (Kiev-Bishkek)? |
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Kypchak
Apr 24, 2005 19:58:55 GMT 3
Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 24, 2005 19:58:55 GMT 3
Sounds more like fiction to me... What are your sources?  What is "Tsujshe"? I can't recognise it  Who says this? This is certainly un-true. The Second Eastern Gök Türk/Tujue Qaghanate was established by Qutlugh of the Ashïna tribe of the Türük/Tujue people. The ruling and elite class of the Gök Türk empire were from the tribes of Ashïna/Ashine and Ashide. Nothing to do with the Kypchaks. That was in the Spring of 840. Well truth is that the Kyrgyz didn't go to the realm of the Khazars back in the 7th-8th centuries... Whatever your sources are, they are certainly inaccurate |
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Kypchak
Apr 27, 2005 18:52:25 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Apr 27, 2005 18:52:25 GMT 3
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Kypchak
Apr 27, 2005 19:02:39 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Apr 27, 2005 19:02:39 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 30, 2005 2:14:31 GMT 3
The site's not very reliable... I wonder from where they got those infos from (first of all, Kypchak and Oghur were two different classes).
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Kypchak
May 16, 2005 21:58:10 GMT 3
Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 16, 2005 21:58:10 GMT 3
According to Prof. Dr. Salim Koca's Anadolu Türk Beylikleri Tarihi, an important number of Turks living in the Black Sea region of Turkey are the descendents of Kypchaks who migrated there in the early 13th century.
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Kypchak
May 17, 2005 11:27:41 GMT 3
Post by Timurlenk on May 17, 2005 11:27:41 GMT 3
What is the main ndiffrence beetween kýpçak and oðuz tribes?
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Kypchak
May 17, 2005 16:31:13 GMT 3
Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 17, 2005 16:31:13 GMT 3
Their origins and languages were a bit different.
The Kypchaks were the descendents of the Kimeks but the ancestors of the Kimeks are unknoqn (some suggest they were the same with the "Chik" people mentioned in the Orkhon monuments, but that's not very clear). The origins of Oghuz aren't very clear either; some say they descended from the Toquz Oghuz (Nine Tribes of Tiele) whereas some claim they were the continuation of the On Oq (Western Gök Türks).
They have lingual differences too. "Y" in Oghuz becomes "J (C)" in Kypchak, for example.
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Post by Rava on Jun 7, 2005 19:55:30 GMT 3
Nomad wrote:
Seems interesting because one source calls Kiev Sambatas . I always thought that it could be Khazars' influence meaning in hebrew and persian saturday. But I've never heard Kiev was named Bashtu. Where did you get that?
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Kypchak
Sept 24, 2005 16:49:30 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Sept 24, 2005 16:49:30 GMT 3
Seems interesting because one source calls Kiev Sambatas . I always thought that it could be Khazars' influence meaning in hebrew and persian saturday. But I've never heard Kiev was named Bashtu. Where did you get that?[/quote]
Sorry I read it from one historical web site but after close look found that information has no profe nor evidence. I will contact with my friends from Kyrgizstan and check it with them.
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Kypchak
Sept 24, 2005 16:53:35 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Sept 24, 2005 16:53:35 GMT 3
Very Intresting!!! What kind of relationship was between Kypchaks and Horezmshah. Before the mongol invasion and after that! I think our Uzbek friends could help us, because there are a lots of kypchaks living in Uzbekistan.
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