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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 9, 2008 23:55:21 GMT 3
In China I saw many Mongols and they had beards.  |
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 10, 2008 2:16:47 GMT 3
but on the other hand there are no blonde Chinese... Činggis Qan, a Mongol, had long beard. Was he Iranic? ;D ;D ;D there is no contemporary picture of him. the one comissioned by the Yüan Dynasty was done well after his death, and they gave him quite Chinese features like the beard as the Baron mentioned, therefore it is not realiable and it cannot be said how he looked. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 10, 2008 2:45:38 GMT 3
Yet, that is the olderst and most accurate portrayal of him still, when compared with other paintings depicting him. Besides, among the Turkic peoples, there is a special term, Aqsaqal (White Bearded), used for the wise old men. And they do have long beards, like those in Turkmenistan ;D
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Aug 10, 2008 15:12:59 GMT 3
Long beard is a facial hair dressing style, I think Temujin meant thereby abundant beard.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 10, 2008 19:11:28 GMT 3
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 11, 2008 0:18:06 GMT 3
yes, like Azadan said.
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Aug 11, 2008 0:47:59 GMT 3
The same case goes for IE (specially nomads) called "Rishsepid" in most of the Iranian languages, who were of the same moral role within a society.
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Post by shamshirepars on Oct 25, 2010 1:04:45 GMT 3
the Ashina clan who was the royal clan who established the Gokturk Empire in the 6th century AD. Were originally a Saka tribe from eastern china, who fled the chinese armies and joined the Rouran Altaic confedration and served them as Iron smiths until they over throw the Rouran king.
Their name Ashina is derived from the Khotanese Saka term for "deep blue", āššɪna.
The official language of their empire was Soghdian(Iranic).
Turuc as they for the first time called themselves was an Arcasid Soghdian term Meaning valiant Knight or Strong Knight. The Scyth/Saka tribal names Aspasina, Asii, Asioi, Asiani...etc,etc are attested by classical sources such as Strabo, Trogus and Justin.
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Post by sarmat on Oct 25, 2010 4:19:34 GMT 3
Hmm... sounds like Iranic propaganda...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 25, 2010 14:28:25 GMT 3
the Ashina clan who was the royal clan who established the Gokturk Empire in the 6th century AD. Were originally a Saka tribe from eastern china, who fled the chinese armies and joined the Rouran Altaic confedration and served them as Iron smiths until they over throw the Rouran king. Their name Ashina is derived from the Khotanese Saka term for "deep blue", āššɪna. The official language of their empire was Soghdian(Iranic). Turuc as they for the first time called themselves was an Arcasid Soghdian term Meaning valiant Knight or Strong Knight. The Scyth/Saka tribal names Aspasina, Asii, Asioi, Asiani...etc,etc are attested by classical sources such as Strabo, Trogus and Justin. That's not true and as Sarmat already said, it's plain Iranic propaganda. |
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Post by ALTAR on Oct 25, 2010 18:50:01 GMT 3
the Ashina clan who was the royal clan who established the Gokturk Empire in the 6th century AD. Were originally a Saka tribe from eastern china, who fled the chinese armies and joined the Rouran Altaic confedration and served them as Iron smiths until they over throw the Rouran king. Their name Ashina is derived from the Khotanese Saka term for "deep blue", āššɪna. The official language of their empire was Soghdian(Iranic). Turuc as they for the first time called themselves was an Arcasid Soghdian term Meaning valiant Knight or Strong Knight. The Scyth/Saka tribal names Aspasina, Asii, Asioi, Asiani...etc,etc are attested by classical sources such as Strabo, Trogus and Justin. ;D funny ;D |
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Post by shamshirepars on Oct 29, 2010 2:46:18 GMT 3
which Part of it is not true??
I think this explains their vast number of Iranic royal and military tittles plus that they shared a similar ancestor myth with the Wusun, the Varkana and The Arvandi(Orontides of Armenia).
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Post by sarmat on Oct 29, 2010 7:28:08 GMT 3
which Part of it is not true?? Every single one. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 29, 2010 13:51:22 GMT 3
which Part of it is not true?? All of it. I think this explains their vast number of Iranic royal and military tittles plus that they shared a similar ancestor myth with the Wusun, the Varkana and The Arvandi(Orontides of Armenia). There wasn't a "vast number" of Iranic titles used by the Gokturks, there were only a few. And what evidence do you have supporting the "Iranicness" of the Wusun? |
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Post by Subu'atai on Oct 29, 2010 15:51:10 GMT 3
Aye, I think people should educate themselves in regards to where colored hair/eyes even comes from in the first place. Too many times they think of it as a racial trait completely oblivious to what genetic drift even is.
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Turkic and Mongol beards can be long, but not very think most of the time.
