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Post by kenmirzz on Sept 12, 2009 19:17:23 GMT 3
Hi Anda. Hello Mr Sarmat Anda, being a celebrity is sure a good fortune for them that they can discard any religious intervention within their relationship. Take for me as example, my wife is a Mongolian Buddhist and I am a freethinker apostate from Islam. I kicked Islam out of my life because it's in conflict with my concept of humanity. Though my family eager to have my wife converted because they didnt know about my apostasy, my mum seems to be quite open minded and consented to our affair. In the country that I live, there's a strict rule that not allowed a Muslim to marry a non-Muslim unless the latter is converted. I am pissed off of this restriction because it's based on bigotry rather than rationality. That's why I am interested to hear more about the marriage between Kazakh and Mongol in Mongolia. I mean, apart from linguistic differences, these two great races are not so distinct from each other at all. Religion caused all the division between them more apparent than any other disparity. I know that Buddhists are more open minded than Muslims in this case because there are peace-loving human while Muslims act strictly in the matter of religion, leaving closed door to rational thinking. Anda, I love my wife as well as you love your wife. We are on the same boat if talked about racial difference of spouses. Above all, what's this has anything to do with the topic? Congratulation to Khulun and Naryn for breaking the bond of religious differences. I hope more human emulate them. Humanity is but one family.
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Post by banhar on Sept 12, 2009 19:19:16 GMT 3
Isn't Kazakhstan hosting the Winter Olympics next? I was reading about that. In my opinion that is a real big thing. That really shows a great deal of development on their part. It's in Kazakhstan's best interest to be more forward thinking and open to the outside world. Eff'ing Borat though really made a mockery of Kazakhstan though. What a douche. From all accounts, I've heard he's an uptight jerk when not in character. I have heard the complete opposite. What do you mean by opposite? Is that the role of Islam? Don't you know that religious institutions were destroyed in the USSR, besides Kazakhstan is the most Westernized and Russified place in the Central Asia? Kazakhs are much less Muslims than Uzbeks and Tatars for example. And because of the preferences of Kazakh + Kazakh marriages, even the marriages with other Muslims like Tatars and Uzbeks are not regarded as "very normal."
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Post by hjernespiser on Sept 12, 2009 20:16:27 GMT 3
HAHA! Most of the Americans watching Borat didn't even know that Kazakhstan was a real country, let alone where it was on the map, until Borat brought attention to it.
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Post by sarmat on Sept 12, 2009 20:36:59 GMT 3
Isn't Kazakhstan hosting the Winter Olympics next? I was reading about that. In my opinion that is a real big thing. That really shows a great deal of development on their part. It's in Kazakhstan's best interest to be more forward thinking and open to the outside world. Kazakhstan was bidding, but it lost to Russia, the games will be in Sochi, Russia. But, anyway, Kazakhstan by far is the most open post-Soviet Central Asian country, no doubt about that.
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Post by sarmat on Sept 12, 2009 20:54:58 GMT 3
Hi Anda. Hello Mr Sarmat Anda, being a celebrity is sure a good fortune for them that they can discard any religious intervention within their relationship. Take for me as example, my wife is a Mongolian Buddhist and I am a freethinker apostate from Islam. I kicked Islam out of my life because it's in conflict with my concept of humanity. Though my family eager to have my wife converted because they didnt know about my apostasy, my mum seems to be quite open minded and consented to our affair. In the country that I live, there's a strict rule that not allowed a Muslim to marry a non-Muslim unless the latter is converted. I am pissed off of this restriction because it's based on bigotry rather than rationality. That's why I am interested to hear more about the marriage between Kazakh and Mongol in Mongolia. I mean, apart from linguistic differences, these two great races are not so distinct from each other at all. Religion caused all the division between them more apparent than any other disparity. There are no any restrictions on marriage in Kazakhstan. Islam doesn't have the status of a state religion there or so. In fact, even before the communist revolution Kazakh Islam was very relaxed, women had a lot freedom and in fact a significant part of Kazakh tribes was converted to Islam only in the 19th century. Also, my personal impression is the influence of pre-Islamic beliefs, superstions and shamanism are still present in Kazakhstan. Of course, people are saying that we are Muslims, but most of them are only Muslims by words but not by deeds. However, the traditional customs in Kazakhstan are extremely important. When there is a wedding it's a wedding of two families. In a "proper" Kazakh wedding all the complicated customs should be followed. Non-Kazakhs, of course, can't follow all those customs, that's why marriages with them are "unusual" and wedding ceremonies aren't "proper." In Mongolia, where there is a small Kazakh minority, the Islam is almost absent, people even didn't have any mullahs and mosques until 1990th, but still the intermixing with Mongols was minimal due to Kazakhs desire to protect their close community from "outsiders."
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Post by banhar on Sept 12, 2009 22:41:14 GMT 3
You have a beautiful country from the pictures I've seen. I would love to visit sometime! That's also a misconception of Islam I think the western world doesn't realize. They're perception of Islam is the very strict ultra-conservative sect that they are exposed to. Yet they overlook the over zealot Christian conservatism all-over the US. Anyways, I think we're going off-topic now! If the do 'Mongol' 2 and 3 I really hope they address the issues on this forum. The movie has much potential to becoming very epic if they just fix some small issues! Hi Anda. Hello Mr Sarmat Anda, being a celebrity is sure a good fortune for them that they can discard any religious intervention within their relationship. Take for me as example, my wife is a Mongolian Buddhist and I am a freethinker apostate from Islam. I kicked Islam out of my life because it's in conflict with my concept of humanity. Though my family eager to have my wife converted because they didnt know about my apostasy, my mum seems to be quite open minded and consented to our affair. In the country that I live, there's a strict rule that not allowed a Muslim to marry a non-Muslim unless the latter is converted. I am pissed off of this restriction because it's based on bigotry rather than rationality. That's why I am interested to hear more about the marriage between Kazakh and Mongol in Mongolia. I mean, apart from linguistic differences, these two great races are not so distinct from each other at all. Religion caused all the division between them more apparent than any other disparity. There are no any restrictions on marriage in Kazakhstan. Islam doesn't have the status of a state religion there or so. In fact, even before the communist revolution Kazakh Islam was very relaxed, women had a lot freedom and in fact a significant part of Kazakh tribes was converted to Islam only in the 19th century. Also, my personal impression is the influence of pre-Islamic beliefs, superstions and shamanism are still present in Kazakhstan. Of course, people are saying that we are Muslims, but most of them are only Muslims by words but not by deeds. However, the traditional customs in Kazakhstan are extremely important. When there is a wedding it's a wedding of two families. In a "proper" Kazakh wedding all the complicated customs should be followed. Non-Kazakhs, of course, can't follow all those customs, that's why marriages with them are "unusual" and wedding ceremonies aren't "proper." In Mongolia, where there is a small Kazakh minority, the Islam is almost absent, people even didn't have any mullahs and mosques until 1990th, but still the intermixing with Mongols was minimal due to Kazakhs desire to protect their close community from "outsiders."
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Post by hjernespiser on Sept 12, 2009 22:57:52 GMT 3
"Yet they overlook the over zealot Christian conservatism all-over the US."
Exactly! I remember after 9/11 when one of the topics of conversation was about how can moderate Muslims allow such extreme fundamentalism. Why doesn't the Muslim world take action against this extremism in their religion? Well, how can moderate Christians allow the same over here?!
My answer for that is based upon the idea that questioning the actions of fundamentalists amounts to questioning a person's piety. It just isn't done.
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Post by Subu'atai on Sept 13, 2009 16:55:34 GMT 3
I despise fundamentalists of any denomination
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Post by kenmirzz on Sept 13, 2009 18:13:33 GMT 3
Thanks for the information Mr Sarmat. As an outsider myself, I thought that Kazakh and Mongol culture are not quite distinct as they are people of the Steppe who lived in Yurt (or Ger), practice horse husbandry, cherish warrior spirit, etc. Some Kazakh even claim Chinggis Khan to be one of them though the theory is generally discarded for lack of substantiated proof.
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Post by scythian on Nov 12, 2009 12:59:29 GMT 3
This movie angered me greatly.
I thought the plot was boring and silly, the actors were horrible. I am by no means an expert of Chengiz Khan, but I have read a few books about his life, and even a layman like me, just beginning his interest in the history of the steppe, could tell that this movie was wildly inaccurate.
The plot sucked, the costumes sucked, the final battle at the end of the movie is capable giving you sudden down syndrome if you watch too closely. It is insulting that they would depict a great victory by the greatest warrior who ever lived as a cartoon.
Double scimitars? Held upside down? That's just asking to get an arrow to the face, or a lance to the chest. The extras in the movie have the riding ability of, oh.... I don't know, The Japanese?
The Japanese are a ruined people who do not belong anywhere near the Steppe. Japanese people have used panties in vending machines. Kublai should have exterminated them long ago.
Chengis Khan was the greatest man who ever lived who wasn't Jesus Christ. He pulls closely ahead of Julius Caesar in sheer greatness and power.
This movie can be one of two things:
1: The Russian who made the movie is literally retarded, and that is why people in the West are giving it such great reviews. I mean, if a retarded person could actually pull this together, it would be an accomplishment.
2: The movie's good reviews are a clear sign that the majority of people living in the west are so utterly removed from anything great or beautiful that they do not even have the eyes anymore to see beauty and greatness for what it is, and this cartoon foolishness actually appeals to the,.
If the latter is the case, God himself is planning as we speak to bring down the West, for it has become Sodom and Gamorrah. Any culture that looks upon this trash as gives it a thumbs up is ruined.
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Post by scythian on Nov 12, 2009 13:04:36 GMT 3
"Yet they overlook the over zealot Christian conservatism all-over the US." Exactly! I remember after 9/11 when one of the topics of conversation was about how can moderate Muslims allow such extreme fundamentalism. Why doesn't the Muslim world take action against this extremism in their religion? Well, how can moderate Christians allow the same over here?! My answer for that is based upon the idea that questioning the actions of fundamentalists amounts to questioning a person's piety. It just isn't done. I think this video sheds light on this problem. www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S6LspvT05w
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 12, 2009 19:12:26 GMT 3
Greetings Scythian, welcome aboard Regarding your views about this movie, I agree almost all of them, except "the costumes sucked", because I think the costumes were (the only) ok (thing).
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Post by Subu'atai on Jan 17, 2010 15:19:19 GMT 3
My tolerance of Christianity especially last few months has waned more and more. It is difficult. Modern Christians are not Nestorians, just as most modern Muslims are not Sufi.
One piece in the puzzle at the time, I hope that my wife will one day give up Christianity in full. It is quite simply an intolerant religion, and her experience in bible college has laid seeds of demons within our own marriage already. F--K churchies mate. Seriously.
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Post by Asparuh on Jan 29, 2010 22:29:28 GMT 3
Hello to you all ! I finally watched the whole movie of Mongol of Sergei Bodrov. Until now i have watched only videos of it. It's really nice. It shows the hard path Temujin has to pass trought and all the dificulties until he got himself as Chengis Khan. I am quite happy from seeing it.
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Post by aynur on Jan 30, 2010 0:48:13 GMT 3
I heard they were making a sequel to this film called 'The Great Khan', is that true?
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