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Post by Subu'atai on Sept 11, 2009 14:29:47 GMT 3
Altan Urag is THE B-B-B-BEST!!!!
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Post by Modu on Sept 11, 2009 15:38:57 GMT 3
Duujin Daajin soundtrack very good
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Post by kenmirzz on Sept 11, 2009 15:40:19 GMT 3
Hello all
I watched this movie around February 2009. Apart from the fact that the history was portrayed in inaccurate way, the hairstyle of Jamukha, Anda of Chinggis Khan, was not even in accordance with Steppe style.
My Mongolian wife said that she sometimes couldnt comprehend the dialogue by the non-Mongolian actors. I think the Mongols boycotted this movie due to its straying from original history though the presentation was amazing in my opinion.
By the way, I heard that the actress Khulun Chulun who played as Borte in the movie married to a Kazakh guy and now residing in Kazakhstan. Is that right?
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Post by Modu on Sept 11, 2009 15:51:01 GMT 3
Yes.
From Khulan Chuulun website
First Name: Khulan. Last Name: Chuluun. Birth date: May 30, 1985. Birth place: Kharkhorin, Mongolia. Homes: Khulan and her family lived in Kharkhorin until she was 7 years old. The family then moved to Arvayheer in 1992, and then to Ulaanbaatar in 1996. That's where she lived until she married with Naryn Igilik in 2007 and moved to Almaty, Kazakhstan. Languages: Mongolian, English, Russian, Kazakh.
She borned from Otuken :]
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Post by Modu on Sept 11, 2009 15:53:07 GMT 3
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Post by ALTAR on Sept 11, 2009 20:47:41 GMT 3
The movie was a disaster, but the soundtrack is quite good.
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Post by banhar on Sept 11, 2009 22:59:41 GMT 3
When I looked at Jamukha, he just looked so Chinese to me, I had a hard time believing he was a Mongolian. My Mongolian girlfriend would just roll her eyes every time the non-Mongolian actors were talking. She said it was akin to hearing a really bad English accent that was being sounded out and not spoken with a real understanding. When Khulun Chulun was speaking, my girlfriend would say, "Now that's perfect Mongolian!" Regarding the Merkits, my GF was like, "WTF?" It's a shame about the movie. I don't know why they had to throw in those inaccuracies and make such a lame climax. Why they didn't cast more Mongolian actors, is beyond me. They did cast quite a few Inner Mongolians, but looking at the cast sheet very few Outer Mongolians. The movie looked very beautiful, it's a shame to let such a visually well done movie lag, because of what I consider easily fixable issues. Addressing those complaints, Mongol could have been an amazing movie. Hello all I watched this movie around February 2009. Apart from the fact that the history was portrayed in inaccurate way, the hairstyle of Jamukha, Anda of Chinggis Khan, was not even in accordance with Steppe style. My Mongolian wife said that she sometimes couldnt comprehend the dialogue by the non-Mongolian actors. I think the Mongols boycotted this movie due to its straying from original history though the presentation was amazing in my opinion. By the way, I heard that the actress Khulun Chulun who played as Borte in the movie married to a Kazakh guy and now residing in Kazakhstan. Is that right?
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Post by kenmirzz on Sept 12, 2009 6:23:10 GMT 3
Thanks for the info Mr Modu.
Mr Banhar, the reason for the lacking of Mongolian actor in the movie is obvious. It strayed away from the actual history of Chinggis Khan since childhood to his rise of glory. The Drama version "Chinggis Khan" directed by Chinese that cast Inner Mongolian actors and actress is more accurate in its presentation and better. Ask any Mongolian, they will admit that the drama was very good and satisfying for them.
I am not talking about Jamukha physical appearance because there certainly are many Krygyz and Kazakh that may look like that. It's in our psychology because we have a pre-conceived notion that this guy is a chinese, then, we form an opinion about his being "more chinese than mongolian". The hairstyle is indeed in question here. It's like a modern skin head style that does not fit 12th century Steppe warriors. Yes, Khulun is the only Mongolian. The one who played as mother of Chinggis Khan is Inner Mongolian. Maybe her accent is Tsahar dialect and most Mongolian can detect that at the first instance.
Anyway, commenting on the photo of the marriage between Khulun and Naryn Igilik, did their family consent to that? Any opposition with regards to their marriage? I mean, Kazakh and Mongol marriage are not always welcomed.
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Post by Subu'atai on Sept 12, 2009 15:34:01 GMT 3
I have to disagree, I did not know that the Jamukha actor was in fact Chinese, but throughout the movie I thought he was. Not just how he looks, it's how he acts.
As for Khulun and Naryn Igilik... Anda, she's a freakin' celebrity. Being a celebrity allows you to kick Islam out of the picture.
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Post by sarmat on Sept 12, 2009 16:12:26 GMT 3
Islam doesn't play a significant role in Kazakhstan. And most Kazakhs' attitude to religion is very relaxed.
It's just ethnic culture that encourages Kazakhs to marry Kazakhs, for Mongols it's similar, but, perhaps to a lesser extent AFAIK. Mongolian Kazakhs very rare marry with Mongols. So, indeed, this marriage is unusual, but such marriages, of course, still happen.
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Post by Subu'atai on Sept 12, 2009 16:28:36 GMT 3
I have heard the complete opposite.
Nonetheless with Mongolians; Mongol intermarriage with Turks is not really seen as intermarrying with foreign people. When it comes to Chinese though, then hell nationalism f--king breaks loose. Marrying with Russians is somewhat accepted, as past Mongol-Soviet marriages were quite successful and women like Filatova built up cultural centers even though it was not her culture.
But Soviet is a thing of the f--king past, f--k the mosaics, they mean nothing now. Relations are worsened and people will f--king intrude into individual's private affairs out of nationalism which makes me so f--king sick. *sigh* I hate talking about intermarriages cause it hits close to home.
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Post by sarmat on Sept 12, 2009 17:03:46 GMT 3
I have heard the complete opposite. What do you mean by opposite? Is that the role of Islam? Don't you know that religious institutions were destroyed in the USSR, besides Kazakhstan is the most Westernized and Russified place in the Central Asia? Kazakhs are much less Muslims than Uzbeks and Tatars for example. And because of the preferences of Kazakh + Kazakh marriages, even the marriages with other Muslims like Tatars and Uzbeks are not regarded as "very normal."
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Post by Subu'atai on Sept 12, 2009 17:06:47 GMT 3
What do you mean by opposite? Is that the role of Islam? Don't you know that religious institutions were destroyed in the USSR, besides Kazakhstan is the most Westernized and Russified place in the Central Asia? Kazakhs are much less Muslims than Uzbeks and Tatars for example. And because of the preferences of Kazakh + Kazakh marriages, even the marriages with other Muslims like Tatars and Uzbeks are not regarded as "very normal." Religion doesn't take long to revitalise even under heavy suppression. That's just how it is. Sometimes suppression even fuels it. Nonetheless are you saying Kazakhs are just as nationalistic as Mongolians? Bah... that means another d**n wall I gotta headbutt. Good thing I was born with a thick skull... and I think I was born drunk too, can't remember.
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Post by sarmat on Sept 12, 2009 17:07:45 GMT 3
Oh, sorry man, I forget that you're drunk again. Let's have a normal talk when you're back to normal. ;D
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Post by Subu'atai on Sept 12, 2009 17:18:16 GMT 3
Heh, we'll go off-topic for a few pages until I pass out bro! lol! I'd better sleep it off and head back to work tomorrow. I work every morning with a hangover... though, hell I don't know the difference anymore beetween a hangover morning or a "normal" morning lol - it's all normal for me lol!
Ne ways yeah - as for intermarriages and stuff. I just have to say being one who has "intermarried" with a halfie Swedish/Chinese wife - love surpasses race, religion, politics, whatever. In fact it even makes it stronger. Hell I sometimes when I think about it I feel like trying to convince my wife to join me in building up a counselling-organisation that focuses on helping those of different backgrounds cope with racist mother f--ks.
But I'm too druunk to make decisions rofl. Ne ways g'nite bratan.
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