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Post by arnewise12 on Oct 29, 2008 23:44:08 GMT 3
were did the earliest turkic tribe move from, I mean , the asian huns forefathers were the xun yu and xiun yu and other steppe people, but they hade a comman with the ancestors of the mongols called the quan di or something, , were did the forefahters of the earlest turks come from, did they come form the same area the indians of america went from
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 30, 2008 22:22:06 GMT 3
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Post by Alanus on Apr 26, 2010 18:08:34 GMT 3
I think the early Turkic shamens had incredibly similar clothing to the native American shamens. Both movies on Ghengis Khan show the costumes correctly, and an early example has been found at Issyk Kul. The same outfit and ritual was used by the Saka/Massagetae. Evidently consistant throughout the steppes and up into Siberia.
The river Yenisy basin also had Saka living there. Probably the first Turkic speakers to reach Europe were the Black Huns-- Uldin, Atilla, Blaeda-- all those guys who, through intermarriage, had Gothic names.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 27, 2010 18:37:40 GMT 3
I think the early Turkic shamens had incredibly similar clothing to the native American shamens. Both movies on Ghengis Khan show the costumes correctly, and an early example has been found at Issyk Kul. The same outfit and ritual was used by the Saka/Massagetae. Evidently consistant throughout the steppes and up into Siberia. Unfortunately we don't have any depictions of how ancient and early medieval Turkic shamans dressed, but we have some accounts of their rituals found in various Byzantine and Arabo-Persian sources. However, we can guess that the dresses of ancient and early medieval Turkic shamans were not so different from those worn by 19th-21th century Siberians shamans Probably the first Turkic speakers to reach Europe were the Black Huns-- Uldin, Atilla, Blaeda-- all those guys who, through intermarriage, had Gothic names. Actually the Oghurs and Agatzirs were in Europe before the Huns were. Plus, the Greeks recorded the name of the River Ural during the Sarmatian period as Daikh, which is actually Turkic Yayïq, which shows us that the Turkic language was already in useage in the area. By the way, Uldin is probably Uldïz or Yulduz meaning "Star" in Old Turkic, so it's not Gothic. Attila's name is dubious; the form we know looks like a Gothic name meaning "Little Father", but it might have been the Gothified version of a Turkic name such as Ätil meaning "River". As for Bleda's name, there is no doubt that it's non-Turkic (I'm not sure, but maybe Gothic-Germanic).
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Post by Alanus on May 5, 2010 21:33:12 GMT 3
Actually the Oghurs and Agatzirs were in Europe before the Huns were. Plus, the Greeks recorded the name of the River Ural during the Sarmatian period as Daikh, which is actually Turkic Yayïq, which shows us that the Turkic language was already in useage in the area. By the way, Uldin is probably Uldïz or Yulduz meaning "Star" in Old Turkic, so it's not Gothic. Attila's name is dubious; the form we know looks like a Gothic name meaning "Little Father", but it might have been the Gothified version of a Turkic name such as Ätil meaning "River". As for Bleda's name, there is no doubt that it's non-Turkic (I'm not sure, but maybe Gothic-Germanic). Thanks for the above. The Oghurs? There is a growing Hungarian "oriental theory" that the Magyars and Oghurs may have come from common ancestors. The premise is this: Hungarians ate spicy (oriental) food and were a horse-oiented steppe culture, rather than Uralic. Here's more! A recent genetic study of Kazakhstan's Madjars and haplogroup G, "showed that they were closest to the Hungarian population rather than their geographical neighbors." Does this indicate genetic contact between the Madjars and Magyars? And, indeed, were the Huns and "Hungarians" also related?
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Post by hjernespiser on May 6, 2010 1:13:56 GMT 3
It's a theory that's been "growing" for over 1000 years. I'm not saying it's right, only that this isn't a new theory and that you may not be prepared for the discussion you're about to step into.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 6, 2010 2:23:42 GMT 3
Ah, we have discussed those issue many times before in various threads
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Post by Alanus on May 6, 2010 5:31:14 GMT 3
Ah, we have discussed those issue many times before in various threads Ah! Good. I'll drop the potato.
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Post by hjernespiser on May 6, 2010 7:27:04 GMT 3
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Post by arlan on May 6, 2010 12:15:27 GMT 3
What would you say if I say there are evidence of turic living in Acient Egypt and even ruling the nation.
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Post by sarmat on May 6, 2010 15:27:15 GMT 3
Right, do you have also the evidence of "Turic" living and even ruling on Mars?
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Post by sarmat on May 6, 2010 19:09:41 GMT 3
Actually the Oghurs and Agatzirs were in Europe before the Huns were. Plus, the Greeks recorded the name of the River Ural during the Sarmatian period as Daikh, which is actually Turkic Yayïq, which shows us that the Turkic language was already in useage in the area. There are more on this. River Don/Tanais could be easily explained from Turkic "Tynys" which meand "Quite." Interestingly, "Quite Don" is a usual description that is given to the river in Russian. There is even a famous Cossack novel with this name, for which the author got the Nobel Prize. And there are even some researches suggesting that Borisfen (Greek name of Dnieper also coming from Turkic), moreover most of the names of Scythians gods and kings are Turkic as well...
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Post by hjernespiser on May 6, 2010 20:14:19 GMT 3
So, what's the current academic consensus on where the earliest Turks came from?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 6, 2010 23:35:32 GMT 3
I won't believe that. LOL ;D Didn't you know that God is "Turic" as well? ;D Really?? I thought the names Don, Dnyepr, Dnyestr and Danube all come from an Iranic word meaning "water" Never heard that theory though, sounds interesting. Yes, the Scythian name Boristhenes (or however it's written like) has always reminded me the Old Turkic word Böri (wolf). Papaios, the chief Scythian god, looks like the Oghuz word Baba meaning "Father", but the problem with this identification would be that we don't know the useage of the word Baba in Old Turkic (instead of it, we have Ata and Qañ). Artimpasa, another Scythian god, looks like having at least one Turkic word, Ärdäm meaning "virtue". I don't know of any other examples. As far as I know, the general consensus is southern Siberia, the Yenisei Basin and the area south and west of Lake Baikal.
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Post by arlan on May 7, 2010 13:45:01 GMT 3
Do you know the funny thing is in history. In the big picture world history is FAKE dummy. Its like puzzle where you should have Lion in the picture but you get chimera. (Moreover from science we know that chimeras are not fit to survive)
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