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Post by hjernespiser on May 7, 2010 22:50:28 GMT 3
I've always fancied the Minusinsk Basin area, but haven't read enough on the subject. Somewhere in the area we have to fit in the Southern Samoyed and Kettic peoples and I usually consider them to be more east (west of Baikal).
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Post by nomadsoul on Apr 29, 2016 21:49:18 GMT 3
The earliest Turk (Proto-Turkic) were Tocharian
Turk=Tukri=Tocri/Tokhar=Tocharian
Xiongnu/Hun were NOT Turkic
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 30, 2016 14:01:43 GMT 3
No, you're wrong.
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Post by nomadsoul on Apr 30, 2016 23:03:34 GMT 3
Xiongnu/Huns were Scythian-Sacae tribes, not Turkic Göktürks descent from Hujie (呼揭), a Tocharian tribe NW of Usun (乌孙)
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 2, 2016 10:48:06 GMT 3
Xiongnu were not Scythian, they were a different group and they were Turkic.
What is your evidence for your claim that the Göktürks were descendents of the Hujie? There is also no evidence for the Tokharian origins of the Hujie people; in fact, almost nothing is known about them.
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Post by nomadsoul on May 2, 2016 17:42:09 GMT 3
Xiongnu were not Scythian, they were a different group and they were Turkic. What is your evidence for your claim that the Göktürks were descendents of the Hujie? There is also no evidence for the Tokharian origins of the Hujie people; in fact, almost nothing is known about them. Xiongnu was a large confederation of nomadic tribes ruled by a royal clan of Scythian elites later known as Tabgach. Xiongnu elites were Scythian-Sacae type people cuz they all had Eastern Iranian titles
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 3, 2016 10:48:04 GMT 3
Nonsense. The original Xiongnu were a Turkic people; the peoples they conquered acquired the name Xiongnu only afterwards. They got nothing to do with the Scythians nor with the Bulgars.
And none of the Xiongnu titles can be identified or explained as Iranic.
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