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Post by benzin on Jun 4, 2011 13:03:22 GMT 3
It would be great to set up relation between Meschech and Masgut. The two mountains are from the same material wich is called Mész (mes) in hungarian.
what could be gut if mas and mes is kind of a stone ? can it be related with ugrian xot, hot wich is hut in english and haz in hungarian ?
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Post by Ardavarz on Jun 5, 2011 2:59:10 GMT 3
"Woe to me that I sojourned in Meshech; I dwell with the tents of Kedar (QDR)!" (Psalm 120; 5) Please could you explain this QDR-Keder ? What does it mean? Any relationship with Khidr ? The name Kedar (written QDR) is a mystery for me and I don't know if it is mentioned elsewhere except for this verse in the Book of the Psalms. I just came across it accidentally years ago and then it occured to me that it would make much sense if Meshech is interpreted as "Massagetae" and Kedar as "Kidarites" since from the context is obvious that this is about some warlike nomads: "(3) What shal be given to you, or what shal one add to you, o false tongue? (4) Sharp arrow of the mighty with coals of broom! (5) Woe to me that I sojourned in Meshech; I dwell with the tents of Kedar! (6) My soul has long dwelt ot itself, with him who hates peace. (7) I am for peace, but when I speak, they are for war" Kidarites were descendants of Kushans who in turn were related to Saka-Massagetes. But then this psalm should be much younger than it is supposed to be. As for Khidr I doubt there is connection - his name is Arabian word for "Green" from another root (KhḎR). He is the secret master of the Sufis and interestingly enough related to the archetype of Varuṇa, Makara and Enki I wrote about: khidr.org/khwaja-khadir.htm |
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Post by Ardavarz on Jun 5, 2011 3:16:39 GMT 3
ardavarz : türkmen uses this word for teacher and teachings : magaryf : education magaryfchy : educator magaryf : enlightement Any explanations unless magyars teached them to something ? "Magaryf" is from Arabian ma'ārif (plural of ma'rifat) - "knowledge, wisdom, science". Obviously Türkmens just like Volga Bulgarians have interpreted the Arabian letter 'Ayin with a g-sound (which doesn't exist in Arabian). Either it sounded to them as a gutural or it was some scribal convention. If the latter, I suppose (this is a conjecture of mine) it might be because 'ayin in Arabian means "eye" while the Turkic word for eye is göz. |
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Post by Ardavarz on Jun 5, 2011 3:29:04 GMT 3
This could be related to those Caucasian Magyars attested even in 14th century. This place seems to be somewhere in modern Ingushetia. I found a settlement designated as "Machar" on the river Terek in a historical map in one book, but there is no more information about it. I wonder if it has something to do with Alanian capital Maghas? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maghas |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 5, 2011 6:13:52 GMT 3
Either that I'm too drunk, too ignorant or you people are just talking nonsense (I guess it's the second option).
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Post by benzin on Jun 5, 2011 14:31:02 GMT 3
Ardavarz : surely does. Maghash means high.
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Post by benzin on Jun 6, 2011 12:30:39 GMT 3
And its on river Terek, you meant the samy city ?
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Post by benzin on Jun 6, 2011 12:32:07 GMT 3
There is a settlement called Magash in Bashkortostan too.
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Post by benzin on Jun 6, 2011 12:34:24 GMT 3
Its no surprise otherwise, many hungarian geographical name is to be found on the steppe, even til western china, like tokaj, and kaba in altai mountains wich said to be hunnic names. They represent in türkic languages too, at least tokaj for sure.
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Post by hjernespiser on Jun 6, 2011 17:44:29 GMT 3
Bihar is a historic county in Hungary and a state in India.
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Post by Ardavarz on Jun 6, 2011 23:31:46 GMT 3
And its on river Terek, you meant the samy city ? I don't know if it is the same city. In a book of my friend I was editing twelve years ago he uses as illustration a historical map of Caucasian region in early Middle Ages where a settlement called Machar is marked on river Terek. But I don't know from where he has got this map and unfortunately I've lost his contacts long ago. |
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Post by jamyangnorbu on Jun 6, 2011 23:42:00 GMT 3
Bihar is a historic county in Hungary and a state in India. Also, Bihar is the province in India where the historical Buddha spent most of his life, and one half of the capital of Hungary is Buda.... Trippy  |
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Post by benzin on Jun 7, 2011 1:57:24 GMT 3
Bihar in Hungary is already had it name when the Hungarians arrived to the carpathian basin according to gesta hungarorum.
It was populated by bulgarians and slovenians according to the codex. The territory of bihar in hungary was lead by Men Maroth at 895.
Buddha Gautama, also known as Úâkyamuni ("Sage of the Úâkyas")
Buda got it name after Attila's older brother Buda, who got killed by Attila. Its not the same as modern day Buda. The ruins of Buda still havent found, its somewhere north from Budapest.
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Post by benzin on Jun 7, 2011 10:54:34 GMT 3
one more word to be related for sure in my opinion. some say its a loan word from old persian from the family name bazargan, but I think these are closer related :
witch : boszorkany - basyrkan (türkish) - busturgan (chuvash)
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Post by merlkir on Jun 7, 2011 19:09:21 GMT 3
My etymological dictionary says the Czech (and Slovak) word "bosorka" comes from Hungarian "boszorkány", which is supposed to be Turkotatar in origin.  |
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