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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Apr 27, 2005 11:21:55 GMT 3
Your are the fan of Turks Thats good Khazars were first established by Tyrk (Nomads) thats true but at the begining! Then KHazars became the first kingdom with the feudal system and first kingdom that accepted the jewdism(I don't know how to translate it ) as the religion. That must be telling you something. I must say Khazars were fine solders they helped to stop Arab expansion and made some good raids on NOmads and Sovaks.
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Apr 20, 2005 6:25:18 GMT 3
About Chineese they didn't know much about Kazakrs! Not in their intrest. They were more concerned about Silk Way. and trade. I thought that Khazars were formed after the collapse of Turik Kaganate and assume some tribes from Turik Kaganate where at it footsteps. I didn't say Judas were the fathers of Khazars but lately their royalty and nobility where consisted from Judas ;D Have you ever heard Judas or jew runing around and screaming about their origin. NOP. It was a beautiful political combination. Check the political history of any Kingdom or Goverment and you will find them through any nation exept nigro and chinesee "Hans". Note at the begining Khazars engaged the wars through needs of nation but close to the sun set of the Khaganate they fought for some strange reasons which lead to negative image of Khazars through neighbors and they allied to crush Khazars.
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Apr 17, 2005 10:02:05 GMT 3
I read that Khazars were originaly from unification of Huns tribes that united under the presure of the constant wars with romans, slovaks, and agressive tribes. Then jews who migrated from the roman empire joined the Khaganate later they replaced the ruler for one of their bloods and reinforced the Khaganate. What do you think?
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Jun 28, 2006 7:03:45 GMT 3
Well the eyes don't looks like chineese!!! Its not common for chineese to have a healthy looking eyes. Usually it has a little smoke when you look at them. (I mean they looks like they didn't have a nap(sleep) a log time) . Also they have big eye bags, eyebrown is thin and they nose a little flat. (Piggi nose). Yes chinese love to grow moustaches but chinese moustaches looks quiet rare not like a turik people.
That picture what is it? Is it a true face of Great Attila or is it just wild imagination of a toymaker?
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on May 21, 2006 21:45:38 GMT 3
I just want to post. We have this toys on sale in CHINA. At least i have seen ones.
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Kypchak
Aug 22, 2007 22:18:50 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Aug 22, 2007 22:18:50 GMT 3
How do we check it? We have a "Shirdje"(Family tree) "Shejire" (from Arabic Shajara) Do you have one?
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Kypchak
Aug 22, 2007 16:39:15 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Aug 22, 2007 16:39:15 GMT 3
marriage with a person who is far far relative even in 8th generation could be called invalid if the elders will say so.
How do we check it? We have a "Shirdje"(Family tree). The head of the family has the responsibility for keeping it. so we don't get a mixed marriage.
But we have a joke. If you start to speak with Kazakh for too long you may find out that you are a distant relative to him or he is to you!!! ;D
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Kypchak
Sept 23, 2006 13:14:24 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Sept 23, 2006 13:14:24 GMT 3
Yes and Kypchaks are not allowed to marry people from the same tribe. Nice to see you bro...
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Kypchak
Sept 23, 2006 3:01:23 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Sept 23, 2006 3:01:23 GMT 3
Yes it could. Dduring the rule of King David in Georgia 40 000 Kypchak families were invited to live and to protect.
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Kypchak
Sept 22, 2006 16:24:33 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Sept 22, 2006 16:24:33 GMT 3
oh yeah I think I'm also kypchak And why do you think you are Kypchak(Qypchak)? Tell us more about your thoughts!!!
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Kypchak
Jun 28, 2006 13:43:47 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Jun 28, 2006 13:43:47 GMT 3
We don't affraid of Chinese but we like to be confident of our future!!!
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Kypchak
Mar 12, 2006 19:01:08 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Mar 12, 2006 19:01:08 GMT 3
Kazakh used to be a word for free wanders and then became a name for people who lived in central steppes. Now we know such nation as Kazakh who lives in Kazakhstan. I met uigurs when I was i Urumchi. During the conversation they pissed me off saying that we should be named Turkistanians and our land should had name Turkistan. I like to be Kazakh than Turkistanian.
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Kypchak
Dec 20, 2005 11:02:08 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Dec 20, 2005 11:02:08 GMT 3
In Vietnam was a war between invading China and Comunist Vietnam. I have a teacher who once studied with Vietnam heros of that war. (He is top military advisors of our Minister of Defence) He said that USSR was on VIETNAM side and supported them with all they could. During the conversation his friend said. China RED Army was attacking in numbers. Huge numbers. We shot them till the last bullet and it was like no end to them and when they came too close climing over the bodies of their fellows we went on hand to hand battle using everything we could use, but they were too many. China will never say how much people they lost during that war. Its a secret war. We have a joke! China planing to invade Kazakhstan. Battle planing. Great General of China Red Army!: We will attack in small groups of 1 000 000.
In theory if China will attack Kazakhstan we will lose half of Kazakhstan in 30 minuts. That half is the most stratigic and economicaly developed part of Kazakhstan. Thats why we moved our capital from Almaty which could be taken in 17 min to Astana which could stand longer.
About word Kazakh! You could be right! Gona messenge our geeks about it!
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Kypchak
Dec 16, 2005 20:13:29 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Dec 16, 2005 20:13:29 GMT 3
In Kazakhstan Government lunched a program to uncover our history. We made good relations with neighbouring countries and send our historians to search for any clues to our history. We now making a big progress and lifting the curtain of history. In china for example we found diplomatic letters of Ablai Khan to Ming Emperor and its written in some turik language which is strange. For new elected Khan to talk with Emperor of Heaven on different language. Even Djungars spoke chinese to the emperor. More over Ming Emperor exchanges letters which tells of diplomatic relations. From Russia we didn't get much of success but one of our goal is to return the head of last Kazakh Khan executed by Kyrgiz and presented to Russia. Hope we could get some useful documents from Russians. All of our poets and political leaders that where executed or lived at the beginning of the 20th century are now restored from repression and their books and biographies are published. Never the less what do you know about Kipchaks?
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Kypchak
Dec 16, 2005 19:49:09 GMT 3
Post by Nomad (Daz) on Dec 16, 2005 19:49:09 GMT 3
About the three Kazakh hords (Zhuzes). They existed during the Golden Hord. Zhuzes appeared long before Kazakh. More over it was the decision of the head(Bi) of three Zhuzes to unify together and create one Kazakh. The creation of three Zhuzes comes from Chingis Khan. Zhuzes had flags. The Elder Zhuz was given Gold Flag with the word you power is wisdom. The middle one was given white flag with word you will rule the others. The youngest one was given the blue flag with word your power is sword and your glory in battle. Later after the collapse for Golden Hord and titanic changes in the steppes. New nation appeared named Kazakh, but the main role in the unification played Djungars who lunched a genocide against people of the central steppes. Under the treat of total extinction nomads united under new name Kazakh and elected a single Khan- Ablai Khan. New coalition changed the outcome of the war. Kazakh won. Funny enough but the echoes of the past can still be heard now. For example! When Djungars conquered haf of the steppes they presented it to Ming Dynasty but later lost to Kazakh all the lands. Ming Emperor never had interest in Steppes he had his own problems. In 1950th Communist of the China Peoples Republic had some friction with USSR and diged the documents where Djungars presented land of the steppes to Ming Emperor. So China started to claim the land back, lunching big propaganda cultivating people. We had small secret wars. They attacked suddenly one of our devision and killed them all while they were a sleep. Came close to Almaty as 70 km. We burned their division with Katusha. 1 km square of burned land. For super powers it was nothing like a game to play. I am studying in china now! All people who are above 35 thinks Kazakhstan is China's territory. Its due to the old school I think.
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