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Post by hjernespiser on Aug 20, 2009 6:14:03 GMT 3
Fun wrote: "In America, if any Asian claims that he is a descendant of Genghis Khan, he won’t be treated with high regard but would be kicked around like an ass."
Hey, thanks for the generalization.
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Post by Subu'atai on Aug 21, 2009 15:58:08 GMT 3
Well you know America doesn't exactly have the best reputation as a multi-cultural, non-racial country. Many Australians consider Americans racist too, while Americans who come here say Aussies are racists. Haha!!! It's cute really
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Post by sharshuvuu on Nov 12, 2009 7:09:47 GMT 3
There is the Chaadaev family, Russian aristocrats. Petr I. Chaadaev (1794-1856) was a philosopher notorious for denouncing Russia as being backward compared to the West. And now there's the Bielarusian ski jumper. Whether they are really descended from Cha[gh]atai I don't know. Maybe it just means an ancestor from the Chaghatai Khanate, or someone who spoke Chaghatai Turkic.
Sharshuvuu
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 12, 2009 12:21:16 GMT 3
Interesting info The Russian form is closer to the Mongolian version of the name, rather to the Turkic one which has a "-gh-" particle.
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Post by sarmat on Nov 12, 2009 13:59:28 GMT 3
Well. This last name does have Turkic origin, but it's common. "Chagatai" "Chaatai" just meant brave/honest in Tatar, so many Tatars had that nick name, that later transformed into that Russian last name. Russians nobility was in fact very familiar with Chingizid clans and Chingizid origin was considered prestigious. But there are no information about Chingizid origind of Chaadaevs. In fact one can see that last name in people of common origin. But, I don't like that guy Chaadave from the 19th century. He was so obsessed with his theory of Western European superiority over everything that he even converted to Catholocism. Crazy mankurt !
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