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Post by suren911 on Dec 8, 2006 15:35:17 GMT 3
^Borjigin is more common than Borjiged I think. But this girl I know has the name Borjiged and in South Mongolia, it would've been shortened to "Bo." Either way, I think Ar and Uvur Mongolian should both be preserved. Historical and ethnical/lingual changes make up the identity of people so I think it's important that both are valued. And lastly, he can't be the only decendent of Genghis Khan. There are many many many in the world across Central Asia!
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Post by Bor Chono on Dec 10, 2006 6:26:17 GMT 3
Hey! Woman! I can`t aprove such nonsence in our Respectful Forum!.FIRST! U can`t talk like that, if U haven`t even met him! Yes he came to Mongolia, to make some movie. But some our newspapers started to write about his personal life & specially bad things about him. (I don`t trust 100% to info that I hear!.) I SAY : Some group of noneducated & traitorous freaks are responsible for it!.(Maybe with some chinese influence!? ) It was useful only for true Mongols to have another good Hollywood standard movie for The Great Khaan. I don`t care if Steven Segal is Asian fetishist, sexual maniac or else. I don`t need any bad infos about his personal life!. I want U ppl to judge him by his work, his movies & his acting skills. I know his movies, he is like HERO type actor. I SAY : MONGOLS! stop it! stop being dumb!.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 10, 2006 21:15:27 GMT 3
Ok calm down my dear yabghu
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Post by Saran on Dec 11, 2006 7:54:48 GMT 3
Hey! Woman! I can`t aprove such nonsence in our Respectful Forum!.FIRST! U can`t talk like that, if U haven`t even met him! Yes he came to Mongolia, to make some movie. But some our newspapers started to write about his personal life & specially bad things about him. (I don`t trust 100% to info that I hear!.) I SAY : Some group of noneducated & traitorous freaks are responsible for it!.(Maybe with some chinese influence!? ) It was useful only for true Mongols to have another good Hollywood standard movie for The Great Khaan. I don`t care if Steven Segal is Asian fetishist, sexual maniac or else. I don`t need any bad infos about his personal life!. I want U ppl to judge him by his work, his movies & his acting skills. I know his movies, he is like HERO type actor. I SAY : MONGOLS! stop it! stop being dumb!. Funny, our dear Chono, u really need to burn ur nerves over Steven Segal? Suren's right about that ugly white guy ;D
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Post by Atabeg on Dec 11, 2006 14:59:16 GMT 3
Chono srry but what acting skills?
he only beats people up and looks mad all the time.
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Post by suren911 on Dec 12, 2006 5:43:04 GMT 3
Hey! Woman! I can`t aprove such nonsence in our Respectful Forum!.FIRST! U can`t talk like that, if U haven`t even met him! Yes he came to Mongolia, to make some movie. But some our newspapers started to write about his personal life & specially bad things about him. (I don`t trust 100% to info that I hear!.) I SAY : Some group of noneducated & traitorous freaks are responsible for it!.(Maybe with some chinese influence!? ) It was useful only for true Mongols to have another good Hollywood standard movie for The Great Khaan. I don`t care if Steven Segal is Asian fetishist, sexual maniac or else. I don`t need any bad infos about his personal life!. I want U ppl to judge him by his work, his movies & his acting skills. I know his movies, he is like HERO type actor. I SAY : MONGOLS! stop it! stop being dumb!. Hahaha alright perhaps I should've explained myself better. But I give you 3 reasons why I think Steven Segal is just terrible. Order is of no particular importance. 1) I am from the US and I am spoiled badly by the Hollywood actors/actresses. They are famous with a reason - good acting skills. And guess who lacks that? Steven Segal. Steven Segal's acting skills are no better than that a piece of wood. I mean, you can throw a piece of wood around and it'll look like it has more character than his face. He always looks constipated and I'm not sure what he's doing with his eyes. Is he mimicking Asian people's eyes? I am rather skeptical and as are millions of Americans. Even majority of Americans don't fancy Steven Segal's movies much. 2) Another reason is the plot of his movies. He is an actor and a director and always stars himself as the hero. The villain? In most of the movies he's made, Asian gangs were always his villain, and he always ended up saving a weak and feeble Asian girl in the end, as if Asian men aren't capable of saving their own girls. It's like that in most of his movies. This puts up a bad image for Asian men - weak, and evil. This can be a subconscious image and will cause Americans to stereotype. And the way he fakes speaking Chinese and Japanese... I speak both languages fluently and I can tell you, it makes me want to vomit my lunch. 3) I was talking to a Mongol girl from a prominent family in the US and we were talking about the modern descendents of Genghis Khan and which clan names are associated with him and stuff like that. Then Steven Segal came up. He is a firm believer that he is the descendent of Genghis Khan and has publicly announced it. He may have small eyes, but he is, well, white. I'm not saying it's impossible, but what are the chances? Very slim. And how can he be so disrespectful and pompous as to claim such a royal bloodline? It should make any proud Mongol's blood boil. Well, at least it makes me angry. It makes me angry everytime some idiot (non-Mongol) goes "LOL I THINK I'M THE DESCENDENT OF GENGHIS KHAN." He wants to make the movie about Genghis Khan because, in my opinion, he wants to boast about his awesomeness, not because he wants to honor a truly powerful hero in the history of mankind. I think he's doing it and using the kindness of Mongolians as a way of satisfying his ego. Perhaps I am wrong but I am skeptical everytime some non-Mongol tries to do something or make claims Mongol related.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Dec 12, 2006 15:58:01 GMT 3
Are you racist...?
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Post by suren911 on Dec 12, 2006 20:24:31 GMT 3
Not at all. If you took that as a racist comment, then you missed the whole point. My point wasn't make fun of him being Caucasian, but rather, his ridiculous claim to be the descendent of Genghis Khan, knowing that Genghis Khan was and is Asian. Hitler claimed Mongols were Germanic. Claims like such encourage Western racist attitudes that Genghis Khan was of Caucasian descent, and racists love to claim legitimacy to the greatest historical icons like the ones in the cultures of great Incas, Mayans, Mongols, Egyptians, ancient China, etc etc as if no one but the white civilizations have been the founders of civilizations all over the world. I have nothing against white people, just goofy bastards who thinks everyone great in history must be white.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Dec 13, 2006 2:22:13 GMT 3
Not at all. If you took that as a racist comment, then you missed the whole point. My point wasn't make fun of him being Caucasian, but rather, his ridiculous claim to be the descendent of Genghis Khan, knowing that Genghis Khan was and is Asian. Hitler claimed Mongols were Germanic. Claims like such encourage Western racist attitudes that Genghis Khan was of Caucasian descent, and racists love to claim legitimacy to the greatest historical icons like the ones in the cultures of great Incas, Mayans, Mongols, Egyptians, ancient China, etc etc as if no one but the white civilizations have been the founders of civilizations all over the world. I have nothing against white people, just goofy bastards who thinks everyone great in history must be white. Well, that caucasian- term what americans use about "whites" is incorrect. Well, also some Asian nations should not claim that Genghis Khan was their people. Chinese are one nation what have no rights to that either. About ideas of those ancient culture and their potential white creators: Incas and Mayas and Aztechs: Only proof for that is myth of Quetzalcoatl/Viracocha, so no real proofs. Egyptians: Most Pharaohs were whites, yes, but not caucasians/Indo-Europeans. I have seen enough mummies in Cairo. Ancient China: I have heard about Jangtse-Whites but not know much. One anti-chinese Japanese guy talked about them once something. And I don't put White-skinned people to same group, just like I don't put Asians in same group.
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Post by suren911 on Dec 13, 2006 20:46:54 GMT 3
^China isn't the only one. Japan, Korea, and Nazi Germany back then all tried to claim him. Well who wouldn't want to? He kicked ass. I didn't put all white people in the same group, just the racists and supremacists. They're all the same rotten bunch.
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Post by Temüjin on Dec 13, 2006 22:09:20 GMT 3
^China isn't the only one. Japan, Korea, and Nazi Germany back then all tried to claim him. Well who wouldn't want to? I heard at least three speeches of Hitler were he called the Bolsheviks as "Red Hordes", "Central Asians" and "sucessors of Chinggis Khaan" or something along those lines. it was only the emperor of germany during the Boxer Rebellion who compared Germans themselves with Huns, that's all...
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 14, 2006 4:16:07 GMT 3
This is such a sensational yellow press BS For example, Qazaq people have an aristocratic group called "töre" - direct descendents of Genghis Khan who used to rule the country before Russians showed up. Qazaq Genghisids ("töre") are the descendents of Urus Khan of the Jochi Khan's dynasty. The last Genghisid khan of Qazaqs, Kenesarı, died in 1847. There're many of the "töre" Qazaqs today, and all of them are Genghis Khan' direct descendants of male lineage.
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Post by Atabeg on Dec 15, 2006 0:11:06 GMT 3
Töre in Turkish means tradition or way of life the costumes of the region but it also means
Blood feud= Töre
has it a specific meaning in Kazakh
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 15, 2006 1:11:42 GMT 3
The word "töre" probably comes from the word "tör" which means a honorary place in the house (yurt). Most respected people sit in the "tör".
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Dec 17, 2006 3:15:11 GMT 3
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