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Post by Asparuh on Oct 18, 2010 16:57:13 GMT 3
Pic N.4 Attachments:
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 19, 2010 13:19:43 GMT 3
Nice drawings
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Post by Asparuh on Oct 26, 2010 23:39:54 GMT 3
Yeah,very cool indeed,i Got them from the web.
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Post by Asparuh on Nov 9, 2010 2:18:37 GMT 3
More things i found about the Ancient Thracians. The Armour,Shield,Helmet and the weapons of the Thracians were almost undescribable from the Spartans.That is most certainly because the both nations used to live not very far one from another. Thus,The Thracians and the Ancient Greeks were enemies. Here is a map that shows the location of Thrace split on nowadays lands of Bulgaria,Turkey and Greece. Attachments:
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Post by Asparuh on Nov 9, 2010 2:22:44 GMT 3
Another important information i got is that the Thracians formed part of the Persian Kings Xerxes during his invasion of Greece and Sparta. You can see them in the movie 300 Spartans fighting at the front side against the Spartans all dressed up in leathers - Black and White-Zebra like and wearing spears and Persian type shields. Thracian warriors were used as a force against other nations. The Thrace itself was a Source of troops for the Big empires like the Roman and Persian empire.Both had conquered Thrace during its history.
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Post by Asparuh on May 24, 2011 19:05:51 GMT 3
The name of the tribe that took part in XERXES Invasion of Greece in 480 A.C was called TRIBALI. I will upload some photos as soon as i can.
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Post by merlkir on May 25, 2011 22:24:46 GMT 3
Having recently read a book about thunder gods, this bit really intrigues me:
Sounds like a nice example of the Indo-european "The eternal battle" myth. There are parallels of this in various mythologies, but I was not aware there was a Thracian one.
(The myth changes depending on the time period and influences and loans from other mythologies, but the core is the same - a heroic warrior god, very often the god of thunder, is chasing the demon/dragon/serpent who threatens to disrupt the order of things.
Sometimes he steals women or cattle, sometimes he stops the rain or sits on a water spring. The thunder god is usually a rider, or rides a chariot and his weapon tends to be a hammer, axe, mallet, a staff, or throwing stone projectiles.
The demon often escapes into water, or hides in large trees. This is often represented by him crawling under or around the world tree. Also this is how lightning hitting water and trees is explained - the thunder god is trying to hit the demon.
I really enjoy the variations of this myth, be it the story of Indra, Thor, Perun, Perkunas, Zeus or Taranis.)
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Post by Ardavarz on May 27, 2011 0:34:41 GMT 3
I have read that there really existed some species of big lizards similar to varans living in the river basins of the Steppe. Ancient herders of Kurgan people and first horse nomads had to fight them because they were threat to the cattle. And this was the origin of dragonslaying myth which can be traced from most archaic creation myths to the medieval chivalrous romances. The Thracian "heros" obviously belong to the same archetype. I have thought indeed if this could be a tradition carried by the Thracian aristocracy from Steppe (Scythian?) origin.
As for these extinct dragon lizards - I don't know if this information was correct but there was a statement that they have allegedly still existed until several centuries ago somewhere in southern Volga basin.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 27, 2011 1:08:04 GMT 3
I would like to know more about that.
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Post by merlkir on May 27, 2011 15:36:30 GMT 3
Hard to say without at least a hint of a name of the lizard. Might be similar to a monitor lizard - they can grow up to 2 meters of length. (and apparently live all over Asia) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monitor_lizardAlthough I don't see one of those taking down a cow, I've heard the Komodo Dragons can manage with animals much larger than cats and dogs. (even humans) Well, their bite is infectious.
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Post by Ardavarz on May 28, 2011 1:37:13 GMT 3
This information was from an article about the Kurgan culture which I found in the net several years ago. I have saved the text, but unfortunately lost the address of the site (which may not exist already) and I couldn't find it now.
Here is the note from this article which I've saved as text in my hard memory device:
A note: the early Russian naturalist P. S. Pallas ("The Southern Provinces of the Russian Empire", originally published 1812) remarks that in the steppes of the lower Volga lived a giant land reptile called the Coluber Jaculator lizard, which the Russians named the courageous Sheltopufik; he wrote that it "is not venomous, is often six feet long; it moves about with erect head and breast, and when pursued defends itself by darting against the horse and his rider. There are likewise two other species of reptiles, the Berus, and the Halys, both of a poisonous nature." Large lizards like those of the species mentioned by Pallas inhabited the fringe lands of Asia from the Russian steppe all the way to the Persian Gulf. It is probably not a coincidence that the earliest dragon legends come from the same place!
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Post by merlkir on May 28, 2011 10:59:56 GMT 3
Ah! That's pretty awesome. Sounds very plausible. edit: although I must say the only results google gives me are the exact same quotes of this article. (mainly on nationalist websites) Sheltopusik is a real (limbless) lizard though: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheltopusik
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 28, 2011 18:28:50 GMT 3
Interesting, thanks
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Post by Temüjin on May 28, 2011 19:23:18 GMT 3
very nice find!
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Post by Asparuh on Jun 10, 2011 1:33:16 GMT 3
Ok,Interesting about the Monitor Lizards,I know them .When i was small i read about the Komodian Lizard of Indonesia.They are quite dangerous,yes. Umm..The Thracians did had a lot of diferent believes.Diferent gods and myths.
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