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Post by Asparuh on Mar 13, 2009 2:54:54 GMT 3
WOW.Incredible,Thank you.I'm getting lost in the information you have given..So actually the Troy war was greeks against other greeks and thracians if i get it right. And all for what -for one woman. Oh my god ! Thank you again !
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Post by ALTAR on Mar 13, 2009 13:46:54 GMT 3
Luwis were the native people of Anatolia who lived all the Western and Sourhern coasts of Anatolia. Hittites, Lydians, Phrygians were influenced by them in the culture, language and religion. They came to Anatolia with migrations from different directions after Luwis. Tehy adopted Luwi traditions, culture into their civilizations and life style.
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Post by ALTAR on Mar 13, 2009 14:00:02 GMT 3
The famous Thracian in the history was absolutely Spartacus who was a gladiator and slave. He rebelled against Roman Empire. He defated Roman legions many times but finally his army defeate and he was killed by Roman Consule Crassus(Crassus also died in a war against Parthians). His rebellion was a revolution. It was nearly demolished the hiearchical and social structure of Roman Empire. Spartacus and his revolution had an impact for the next revolutions in the world history.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 13, 2009 22:51:31 GMT 3
I don't know It has not been attested that the Troians at that time were Greeks. They probably weren't. Well, that's what the stories tell, but if you look at the geographical location of Troia, you would realise that it wasn't just about one woman ;D ;D
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Post by sarmat on Mar 14, 2009 7:37:03 GMT 3
It has not been attested that the Troians at that time were Greeks. They probably weren't. Well. Perhaps we can't definitely say that they were Greeks. But I mean if it's true that they had connection with Acheans then there could be a connection with the Ancient Greeks. There is some evidence suggesting that both Acheans and Trojans might have been part of so-called people of the Sea.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 15, 2009 3:10:30 GMT 3
Hmmm I thought the Akhaeans pre-dated the "Peoples of the Seas"
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Post by sarmat on Mar 15, 2009 22:23:07 GMT 3
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekwesh#Egyptian_sourcesEgyptian sources During the 5th year of Pharaoh Merneptah, a confederation of Libyan and northern peoples is supposed to have attacked the Western Delta. Included amongst the ethnic names of the repulsed invaders is the Ekwesh or Eqwesh, whom some have seen as Achaeans. Homer mentions an Achaean attack upon the delta, and Odysseus speaks of the same when he talks to the shade of Menelaus. Later Greek myths also say that Helen had spent the time of the Trojan War in Egypt, and not at Troy, and that after Troy the Greeks went there to recover her. There is also the strange myth of the brothers Aegyptus and Danaus, sons of Belus, with the latter supposedly coming from Egypt, that Marianne Luban has suggested may date to this time.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 16, 2009 1:29:38 GMT 3
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Post by sarmat on Mar 16, 2009 16:51:54 GMT 3
Yes, yes, of course. I was just playing with one of the possible hypos. :-)
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Post by Asparuh on Mar 17, 2009 2:15:05 GMT 3
Hello, Ok guys,Let's get back to the Thracians. Here are some new images from my personal record. representing the map of the Ancient Thracia,Alejandro The Great crossing Thracia and front book cover for the Thracians.
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Post by Asparuh on Mar 17, 2009 3:22:07 GMT 3
Ok,About Spartacus. He was born in Thracia and he was from the tribe MEDI ( MEDES). The place where he was born is now in today Southwest Bulgaria. Even when Bulgaria joined the EU in 2007,the chairman annoucing the Accepting of Bulgaria in Eu said that Spartak was a Bulgarian ( He meant Thracian ). We,Bulgarians actually are the succesors of the Thracian inheritance,history and culture.Thracian influence and excavations can be found in Greece and Turkey as well. I hope Ihsan can tell us if they are some evidences about the Thracian existence in Turkey.I am shure there are,because the Thracians lived in today's Turkey's land as well. Is there anyone from Greece in this forum ? Will be helpful to bring some new facts about the Thracians. I'm gonna carry on with new posts very soon. Here is an image i found of Spartak,is from the movie with Kirk Douglas.
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Post by Asparuh on Mar 17, 2009 3:57:23 GMT 3
...I think the mistake of the rebellion of Spartak was that once they escaped and turned north towards the Alps in the north of Italy,they returned back south,so they gave chance to the Romans to gather a bigger armies against them. Here is an article from wikipedia :
Apparently, Spartacus had intended to march his army out of Italy and into Gaul (now Belgium, Switzerland and France) or maybe even to Hispania, where Roman soldiers were fighting, to join the rebellion of Quintus Sertorius.[citation needed] There are theories that some of the non-fighting followers (some 10,000 or so) did in fact cross the Alps and return to their homelands.[citation needed]
The rest marched back south, and defeated two more legions under Marcus Licinius Crassus, who at that time was the wealthiest man in Rome. At the end of 72 BC, Spartacus was encamped in Rhegium (Reggio Calabria), near the Strait of Messina. Spartacus's deal with Cilician pirates to get them to Sicily fell through. In the beginning of 71 BC, eight legions of Crassus isolated Spartacus's army in Calabria. With the assassination of Quintus Sertorius, the Roman Senate also recalled[citation needed] Pompey from Hispania; and Marcus Terentius Varro Lucullus from Macedonia.
Spartacus managed to break through Crassus's lines and escape towards Brundisium (now Brindisi), but Pompey's forces intercepted them in Lucania, and the slaves were routed in a subsequent battle at the river Silarus, where Spartacus is believed to have fallen. According to Plutarch, "Finally, after his companions had taken to flight, he (Spartacus) stood alone, surrounded by a multitude of foes, and was still defending himself when he was cut down".[15]According to Appian, "Spartacus was wounded in the thigh with a spear and sank upon his knee, holding his shield in front of him and contending in this way against his assailants until he and the great mass of those with him were surrounded and slain"; The body of Spartacus was not found.[16]
After the battle, legionaries found and rescued 3,000 unharmed Roman prisoners in their camp. 6,600 of Spartacus's followers were crucified along the via Appia (or the Appian Way) from Brundisium to Rome. Crassus never gave orders for the bodies to be taken down, thus travelers were forced to see the bodies for years after the final battle. Around 5,000 slaves, however, escaped the capture. They fled north and were later destroyed by Pompey, who was coming back from Roman Iberia. This enabled him also to claim credit for ending this war. Pompey was greeted as a hero in Rome while Crassus received little credit or celebration.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 17, 2009 22:28:26 GMT 3
I hope Ihsan can tell us if they are some evidences about the Thracian existence in Turkey.I am shure there are,because the Thracians lived in today's Turkey's land as well. I don't remember seeing any but there must be, especially in Edirne and Istanbul.
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Post by Asparuh on Mar 19, 2009 2:57:13 GMT 3
Ok,I'm shure there are.
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Post by Asparuh on Mar 24, 2009 2:22:20 GMT 3
Here is Orpheus - Legendary Thracian singer and musician lived in 1400 B.C.His place of birth was in Rodopi-In Today's Bulgaria. The legend says that he went to adventure sea trip with the Argonavts.Both Ancient greek and Thracian mithologies tell about this person lived in the time of splendor of Thracia.
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