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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 17, 2004 1:05:32 GMT 3
(Originially posted by me at September 4, 2004)---- You can ask your questions in this thread Liu Ce asked: The Steppes is a very vast area, covering all the lands between Manchuria, China, Tibet, Kashmir, Afghanistan, Iran, Caucasia, Bulgaria, Austria, Poland and Russia-Siberia. It corresponds to modern Southern Russia, Mongolia, Northern-NW China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Moldova, Romania and Hungary. Even though there are many terrain types such as forests (with many types), mountains, hills, deserts, plains and steppeland, the majority of the Steppes consists of empty steppeland. OTOH, Mongols (Mongolic peoples) live in Outer Mongolia, Inner Mongolia, regions on the Mongolian-Russian border, Dzungaria in Xinjiang and Kalmukia (a small region to the northeast of Caucasia and west of Kazakhstan). ---------------- (Originially posted by Tobodai the Love Sthingy at September 5, 2004)---- heres a good question, who is the oldest stepe people that there is evidence of existing? ---------------- (Originially posted by me at September 7, 2004)---- Hmm, I'm not sure, but the Quanyi recorded in the Chinese sources might be. They're first mentioned in the events that took place in 2146 BC. But as cultures, there are many that outdate the Quanyi. I'll open a separate thread about the cultures. ---------------- (Originially posted by Imperator Invictus at September 9, 2004)---- Some communities have been found in the Kara kum desert dating back to 6-7000 BC, which we now call Jeituns, but I'm not sure what's the earliest culture that can be considered nomadic pastoral. Ok, I got a new question: How does the early Turkic Rune alphabet compare with other rune alphabet that look similar, like Norse runes? ---------------- (Originially posted by me at September 9, 2004)---- A good question, let me reply with the diagrams taken from www.omniglot.com -------- Turkic (Orkhon) RunicSzékely Rovásírás (Hungarian/Székely Runic)Numerals of Székely RovásírásElder Futhark (Germanic) RunicGothic RunicAnglo-Saxon Futhark Runic(the following three are from the so-called Younger Futhark RunicDanish FutharkSwedish-Norwegian / Short-twig / Rök RunesNorwegian FutharkMedieval (Latinised) Futhark
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Post by sennacherib on Feb 8, 2005 1:16:57 GMT 3
Question for you... Is there a good source (by good I mean "free" ) for gods, goddesses, and mythological creatures from among the steppe peoples? In particular I am interested in those from the western steppes; Ukraine, Moldavia, Kuban, Southern Russia. The info is for use in a roleplaying game I am designing, and I appreciate any help I can get...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 9, 2005 22:26:25 GMT 3
There is the Herodotos' History's 4th chapter which is dedicated on the Scythians. It has some paragraphs about their religion but I can post those parts only after I return home from vacation
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Post by kenaney on Jun 24, 2005 20:32:37 GMT 3
Ihsan if you could change the color theme of this forum it would be great. Neyse cok guzel olmus bu siteyi heryerde tanitcam
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 27, 2005 1:05:32 GMT 3
I still can't decide which colors I should use IIRC we got a topic about the forum colors in the meeting hall. Thank you very much (btw Proboards prohibits the useage of non-English languages - our old All Empires Forum and our old Turkish History Forummers Network got deleted because of this, so we use only English in our forum)
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Post by altaicmongol on Aug 7, 2006 8:49:23 GMT 3
I have a question about the Anatolian Turks. The nomadic descended Turkic people of the east and Mongols are more Asian looking people while the Turkish people are more Arab looking, how do Turkish people feel about having a relation to us? To me it is strange to be related with some people who are Islamic and have different appearances. I'm not trying to be xenophobic because I can understand how Native Americans are related to Mongols because of similar appearance and culture and religion,etc. I heard some Turkish people saying that the Mongols today are not the same as Chingghis Khan's Mongols and that we are just a bunch of gooks. Surely, Turks must hate to be put in the same as Mongols.
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Post by tengrikut on Aug 7, 2006 10:56:29 GMT 3
I have a question about the Anatolian Turks. The nomadic descended Turkic people of the east and Mongols are more Asian looking people while the Turkish people are more Arab looking, how do Turkish people feel about having a relation to us? To me it is strange to be related with some people who are Islamic and have different appearances. I'm not trying to be xenophobic because I can understand how Native Americans are related to Mongols because of similar appearance and culture and religion,etc. I heard some Turkish people saying that the Mongols today are not the same as Chingghis Khan's Mongols and that we are just a bunch of gooks. Surely, Turks must hate to be put in the same as Mongols. who is arab looking? in turkey, there are lots of etnic groups. so eveyone from turkey is not turk. turks of turkey mostly look like turkmens from turkmenistan. and turks of turkey claims that they are altaic people. when a turk tells sth about central asia, he or she says father-lands :(ata yurt) and anatolia is mother lands (anayurt) and cyprus is baby lands ;D (yavru vatan)
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Post by tengrikut on Aug 7, 2006 10:58:03 GMT 3
I have a question about the Anatolian Turks. The nomadic descended Turkic people of the east and Mongols are more Asian looking people while the Turkish people are more Arab looking, how do Turkish people feel about having a relation to us? To me it is strange to be related with some people who are Islamic and have different appearances. I'm not trying to be xenophobic because I can understand how Native Americans are related to Mongols because of similar appearance and culture and religion,etc. I heard some Turkish people saying that the Mongols today are not the same as Chingghis Khan's Mongols and that we are just a bunch of gooks. Surely, Turks must hate to be put in the same as Mongols. who is arab looking? in turkey, there are lots of etnic groups. so eveyone from turkey is not turk. turks of turkey mostly look like turkmens from turkmenistan. and turks of turkey claims that they are altaic people. when a turk tells sth about central asia, he or she says father-lands: (ata yurt) and anatolia is mother lands (anayurt) and cyprus is baby lands ;D (yavru vatan)
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Post by tengrikut on Aug 7, 2006 11:00:47 GMT 3
and turks claims that steppe people are brothers and sisters. and turks of turkey came here from steppes
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Aug 7, 2006 11:54:56 GMT 3
I have a question about the Anatolian Turks. The nomadic descended Turkic people of the east and Mongols are more Asian looking people while the Turkish people are more Arab looking, how do Turkish people feel about having a relation to us? To me it is strange to be related with some people who are Islamic and have different appearances. I'm not trying to be xenophobic because I can understand how Native Americans are related to Mongols because of similar appearance and culture and religion,etc. I heard some Turkish people saying that the Mongols today are not the same as Chingghis Khan's Mongols and that we are just a bunch of gooks. Surely, Turks must hate to be put in the same as Mongols. Turks of Turkey don't look like arabs or sth else... Of course there became relationships between different races in Anatolia but when you look at the Yörük ppl living in the mountains who haven't mixed you can see typical steppe or central asian appearence. In cities -of course- it is different. I am a Turk and a Mongol is my uncle's son Come on we are all from steppes of asia and we are brothers...
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Post by altaicmongol on Aug 7, 2006 22:34:32 GMT 3
I have a question about the Anatolian Turks. The nomadic descended Turkic people of the east and Mongols are more Asian looking people while the Turkish people are more Arab looking, how do Turkish people feel about having a relation to us? To me it is strange to be related with some people who are Islamic and have different appearances. I'm not trying to be xenophobic because I can understand how Native Americans are related to Mongols because of similar appearance and culture and religion,etc. I heard some Turkish people saying that the Mongols today are not the same as Chingghis Khan's Mongols and that we are just a bunch of gooks. Surely, Turks must hate to be put in the same as Mongols. Turks of Turkey don't look like arabs or sth else... Of course there became relationships between different races in Anatolia but when you look at the Yörük ppl living in the mountains who haven't mixed you can see typical steppe or central asian appearence. In cities -of course- it is different. I am a Turk and a Mongol is my uncle's son Come on we are all from steppes of asia and we are brothers... Hey, if a Turkish person wants to be related to the people of the steppes, I'm down with that, I'm not gonna hate. But some Turks I talked to, they go apenuts when it is suggested that Turks are of an Asiatic origin. When I tell them to look at the Turks of Kazakhstan or Kirgizstan, they say they were miscegenated by the Mongols, even though the Mongols were a minority tribe in Central Asia. But you can't deny the fact that the Turks from 1000 years ago look very different from the Turkish of today. There is an obvious amount of miscegenation with the local Anatolian population, at least the traces of the steppe culture and language are still in play. But some people in Turkey are definately not descended from the Turk nomads like Ataturk, he is obviously from a European descendency and he was a Janissary, whom were captured Europeans made into an elite force.
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Post by tengrikut on Aug 7, 2006 22:41:10 GMT 3
Turks of Turkey don't look like arabs or sth else... Of course there became relationships between different races in Anatolia but when you look at the Yörük ppl living in the mountains who haven't mixed you can see typical steppe or central asian appearence. In cities -of course- it is different. I am a Turk and a Mongol is my uncle's son Come on we are all from steppes of asia and we are brothers... Hey, if a Turkish person wants to be related to the people of the steppes, I'm down with that, I'm not gonna hate. But some Turks I talked to, they go apenuts when it is suggested that Turks are of an Asiatic origin. When I tell them to look at the Turks of Kazakhstan or Kirgizstan, they say they were miscegenated by the Mongols, even though the Mongols were a minority tribe in Central Asia. But you can't deny the fact that the Turks from 1000 years ago look very different from the Turkish of today. There is an obvious amount of miscegenation with the local Anatolian population, at least the traces of the steppe culture and language are still in play. But some people in Turkey are definately not descended from the Turk nomads like Ataturk, he is obviously from a European descendency and he was a Janissary, whom were captured Europeans made into an elite force. it was forbidden for a jannsary to mary and have children but except jannisaries, there are too many migrations from albania and bosnia.
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Aug 8, 2006 1:06:19 GMT 3
Turks of Turkey don't look like arabs or sth else... Of course there became relationships between different races in Anatolia but when you look at the Yörük ppl living in the mountains who haven't mixed you can see typical steppe or central asian appearence. In cities -of course- it is different. I am a Turk and a Mongol is my uncle's son Come on we are all from steppes of asia and we are brothers... Hey, if a Turkish person wants to be related to the people of the steppes, I'm down with that, I'm not gonna hate. But some Turks I talked to, they go apenuts when it is suggested that Turks are of an Asiatic origin. When I tell them to look at the Turks of Kazakhstan or Kirgizstan, they say they were miscegenated by the Mongols, even though the Mongols were a minority tribe in Central Asia. But you can't deny the fact that the Turks from 1000 years ago look very different from the Turkish of today. There is an obvious amount of miscegenation with the local Anatolian population, at least the traces of the steppe culture and language are still in play. But some people in Turkey are definately not descended from the Turk nomads like Ataturk, he is obviously from a European descendency and he was a Janissary, whom were captured Europeans made into an elite force. You are wrong, Atatürk is not from a European descendency, his ancestors came from Konya to Trakya... Come on you must know this... And I think you are a bit confused because THERE WERE NO JANİSSARİES at the age of Atatürk. He was a Turk, there can be no other word... I advice you investigate sth about Atatürk's origins and you will see that I am right... He is an Oghuz Turk... Btw, from central asia 1.5 million Turkish tent migrated to anatolia, that means at least 5 million- population... And do you know what was the local pop. of Anatolia? At most 4 millons (I am exaggarating.) So what miscegenation are you talking about? What were that times' Turks were looking like? What is the physical app. of a poor Turk?
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Post by altaicmongol on Aug 8, 2006 1:10:58 GMT 3
Hey, if a Turkish person wants to be related to the people of the steppes, I'm down with that, I'm not gonna hate. But some Turks I talked to, they go apenuts when it is suggested that Turks are of an Asiatic origin. When I tell them to look at the Turks of Kazakhstan or Kirgizstan, they say they were miscegenated by the Mongols, even though the Mongols were a minority tribe in Central Asia. But you can't deny the fact that the Turks from 1000 years ago look very different from the Turkish of today. There is an obvious amount of miscegenation with the local Anatolian population, at least the traces of the steppe culture and language are still in play. But some people in Turkey are definately not descended from the Turk nomads like Ataturk, he is obviously from a European descendency and he was a Janissary, whom were captured Europeans made into an elite force. You are wrong, Atatürk is not from a European descendency, his ancestors came from Konya to Trakya... Come on you must know this... And I think you are a bit confused because THERE WERE NO JANİSSARİES at the age of Atatürk. He was a Turk, there can be no other word... I advice you investigate sth about Atatürk's origins and you will see that I am right... He is an Oghuz Turk... My bad, I didn't mean he was a Janissary, but possibly that he was a descendent of a Janissary. And Janissaries were of European descent, they were captured European boys by the Ottomans and trained by the Ottomans to be their elite force.
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Aug 8, 2006 1:14:06 GMT 3
You are wrong, Atatürk is not from a European descendency, his ancestors came from Konya to Trakya... Come on you must know this... And I think you are a bit confused because THERE WERE NO JANİSSARİES at the age of Atatürk. He was a Turk, there can be no other word... I advice you investigate sth about Atatürk's origins and you will see that I am right... He is an Oghuz Turk... My bad, I didn't mean he was a Janissary, but possibly that he was a descendent of a Janissary. And Janissaries were of European descent, they were captured European boys by the Ottomans and trained by the Ottomans to be their elite force. And I say NO, he was not... With what source are you calling him to be European descendant???
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