Hello, Well Ihsan I know about the Oghurs same as you know. That the tribes Kutrigurs,Onoghurs and Utighurs were part of the Bulgarian khanate in 6 century. Try too look in wikipedia about this matter.
"Sometime about A.D. 463 a series of nomadic migrations was set off in Inner Asia. A very brief account of this is preserved in the fragments of Priskos Rhetor, the Byzantine ambassador to Attila. According to him the Saraghurs, Oghurs and Onoghurs were driven to the Pontic steppe, from whence they then sent ambassadors to Constantinople, by the Sabirs. The latter, in turn, had been forced from their homeland by the Avars."
Long ago I was present at a lecture of Omeljan Pritsak who suggested that the names "Hungar" and "Bulgar" have been derived from Onoghun and Belghun meaning "Ten Huns" and "Five Huns" respectively. Still, it didn't become clear how -ghun has been transformed into -ghur and then - gar.
"Onoghundur/Unnogundur" has been puzzled me too. It is obviously a compound word, but is the first component on ("ten") or ono/unno ("Hun")? And the second - undur or gundur? The former resembles Mongolian öndür/Buryat ündür - "high". Also in "Jagfar Tarihy" is mentioned the word undur - "army, cavalry" (from Turkic yund - "horse").
And then there is this bewildering similarity between "Oghur" and "Uighur". They may be not related, but nontheless there is an amazing likeness between the name of their tribal unions: Onogur vs. On-Uighur, Kuturgur (Tokur-Oghur) vs. Toquz-Uighur, Saragur vs. Sarï-Uighur (even though the latter are actually different people - the Yugurs).
Post by hjernespiser on Apr 12, 2012 8:37:42 GMT 3
Onoghundur reminds me of On Ok. I don't know enough about how these names were recorded in the sources to speculate too much on that. A comparison of "Onoghun" and "Onoghur" shows up in one of my books where the -n and the -r at the end supposedly is some Turkic collective suffix. No idea of what -dur would be.
I think the similarities with Toquz Uighur and On Uighur are not coincidental but cultural.