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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Nov 8, 2006 8:28:58 GMT 3
I don't support USSR nor I like bolshevizm. But in that times, time of titans if I can say so.
America country of freedom and money. Their policy was all evil good as long as it brings money to the pocket.
Japan the country of samurai. They were in search for more land and natural resourses. They invaded China, Philipins, Indonezia, Thailand. Don't forget about the humiliation that Russia suffed after Russian-Japan War they lost Sahalin and other territories. Humiliation by Japan and American Goverment who wanted to justify Japan and to unleash all helldogs on Russia. Peace treaty was signed in America. One of the demand of Japan was for Russia to pay all the war bill but thanks to Russian diplomats Russia avoided the bill. (America pulled the same trick with Germany after the first world war.)
France who had colonized half of Africa and Indo-China. After the first world war all Russian prisoners from Germany were send to France as Russia at the start of the war was an ally to France and first to respond to help France against Germany. Instead of releasing the ally they putted them in French prison and forced them into hard labor. What kind of friend does tha?!
England. Well all mighty England. Ask Irish what they think about England. They had colony all over the world. Arabs were crying tears under the tyranny of Brits. India and Pakistan were praying to god to free them from Brits. Brits dominated the sea. God save the Queen.
In the times of titans USSR did their best to revenge same as Germany. I belive what they did was justified from their points of view. If bolshiviks didn't invaded Central Asia from so named sultans, presidents we would be shifted back to 17th century. What was after was a disaster done by people who did not support the vizion of nation but only of themselves.
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Post by thediplomat on Nov 8, 2006 14:54:30 GMT 3
In the times of titans USSR did their best to revenge same as Germany. I belive what they did was justified from their points of view. If bolshiviks didn't invaded Central Asia from so named sultans, presidents we would be shifted back to 17th century. What was after was a disaster done by people who did not support the vizion of nation but only of themselves. Within a year or so of Soviet takeover, according to various estimates, somewhere between 11.000 and 60.000 Estonians were killed, deported or fled: 45.000 Lithuanians sufefred the same fate: and in Latvia the figure was about 35.000. Many went in mass deportations to Siberia beginning on 14 June 1941. The Red Army reconquered The Baltic Countries except Courland (which was still in German hands when Germany sureendered in May 1945), by the end of 1944. Many cities were badly damaged in fighting between the advancing Soviet forces and Nazi Occupiers/ Between 1944 and 1952, with Stalin's Soviet Rule firmly established, agriculture was collectivised. As many as 60.000 Estonian, 175.000 Latvian and 250.000 Lithuanians were killed or deported between 1945 and 1949, many of them in March 1949 during the collectivisation. Thousands of people- known as forest brothers- took to the wood rather than live under Soviet Rule... I ask you, with all my respect, do you still believe that these were justified?  As for your second assumption, If it had not been under Soviet Rule, under tehir own rulers, the Central Asian republic would have developed, let alone going back to 17.century. I met many people friom centytral asian republics, and these observations of mine are about the Soviet legacy on them: 1- They had been de-musliminized under the atheistic Soviet rule. Many call them muslims, but even dont know the pillars of islam. 2- They all speak Russian peferctly, meaning that, the steppes have already been a part of Rusian mentality. I think this is a clear indication of the Soviet imperialism to a large decree. After Stalin, The Soviet Union turned out to be another Russian Empire with a different name  |
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 8, 2006 17:36:41 GMT 3
In the name of Shamanist-Turanist General Wallenius! Can you please give us more information about him in a new thread?  I will write about him. BTW: He did not call himself to Turanist, but however, in Finland lived some politics, scientists or militants who did not use name Turanist, but had ideas quite similar. Or rather I should use word Finno-Ugricist, but still Finnics and Turkics common area is Idel-Ural. |
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 8, 2006 17:37:45 GMT 3
Livonians have people in USA, Merya and Muroma are still exist, those most of them are brainwashed to be slav. My girlfriend is Meryan, so I happen to know about things.  I see that you are friend of Finland, like Nihal Atsiz was, so everything good to you. Hmm, not heard of the Meryan people, learn smth new everyday! Nihal Atsiz wanted to militarily help Suomi against Russia, but was not supported in that sentiment... Thanks for all the good things, viva Turkkilainen-Suomi friendship! Meryans lived near of Moscow. Thanks. |
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Post by aca on Nov 8, 2006 20:07:42 GMT 3
Thediplomat, I must admit - you indeed sound like a real diplomat. ;D
You wrote about Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian victims of Stalin's Soviet regime, and you posted the number of those victims. These numbers are correct (if not even higher), but, like a real diplomat, you forgot to mention that even Russians themselves were victims of the same regime. They also were victims of colectivisation, like every one else in SSSR.
Btw, the worst brutalities towards all peoples of SSSR were commited during Stalin's rule (an ethnic Georgian), and were not a result of Russian attempt to assimilate other cultures, but were result of a destructive and malign politics (such as Communism) in which certain members of all ethnicities of former SSSR took their part.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 8, 2006 23:23:56 GMT 3
Sad but true...  One of the biggest scums was ethnic Finn, Otto Ville Kuusinen, who escaped from Finland 1918. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 9, 2006 1:08:42 GMT 3
The Soviets blundered the minds of Turkic peoples and divided them into many different nations. Before Soviet occupation, the Turkic peoples of the Russian Empire spoke different dialects but used a common written language called Chaghatay Turkic. They were well-aware that they were Turkic peoples. The Soviets un-did all these.
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Post by aca on Nov 9, 2006 15:22:01 GMT 3
This is true.
But:
Nursultan Nazarbayev:
1940–, Kazakh politician, president of Kazakhstan (1991–). Trained as a metallurgical engineer, he was employed at the Karaganda (Qaraghandy) iron- and steelworks. He later became an economist and in 1969 began serving in Communist party posts at the local level, becoming first secretary of the Kazakh Communist party by 1989. Chairman of the Kazakh Supreme Soviet (1989–90), a member of the Soviet politburo (1990), and president of the Kazakh SSR (1990–91), he became independent Kazakhstan's first president in 1991.
Askar Akayev:
Between 1972 and 1973 he worked in the Frunze Polytechnic Institute, and then again in the Leningrad Institute of Precise Mechanics and Optics as a senior researcher, ad a senior teacher.
In 1976 Askar Akayev returned to the capital of the Republic, worked there as a senior teacher, an associate professor, and then as head of a department of the Polytechnic Institute. From 1986 to 1987 he was Head of the Department for Science and Educational Institutions in the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Kyrgyzstan. In 1987 he was elected Vice-President of the Academy of Sciences and two years later was elected its president. That same year Askar Akayev was elected a People" Deputy of the USSR.
At a Special Session of the Supreme Soviet of the Republic, held in October 1990, Askar Akayev was elected President of Kyrgyzstan. As The President of Kyrgyzstan, he actively opposed the August coup attempt in 1991.
Islom Karimov:
Karimov was born in Samarkand to an Uzbek father and a Tajik mother, but he was raised in a Soviet state orphanage. After studying engineering and economics in Tashkent, he became an official in the Communist Party of the USSR.
He came to power as the party's First Secretary in Uzbekistan in 1989. On March 24, 1990 Karimov became President of the Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic. He declared the independence of Uzbekistan on August 31, 1991 and won elections held on December 29 of that year with 86% of the vote. The elections have been called unfair, with state-run propaganda and a falsified vote count, although the opposing candidate and leader of the Erk (Freedom) Party, Muhammad Salih, had a chance to participate. Shortly after the elections, a harsh political clampdown forced opposition leaders into exile, while many have been issued long-term prison sentences and a few have disappeared.
Saparmurat Niyazov:
Niyazov was orphaned at an early age; his father died fighting the Germans in World War II and the rest of his family was killed in the massive earthquake that leveled Ashgabat in 1948. He was then raised in a Soviet orphanage before being taken into the home of a distant relative.
In 1962 Niyazov joined the Communist Party where he quickly rose through the ranks, becoming head of the Communist Party of the Turkmen SSR (later known as the Democratic Party of Turkmenistan) in 1985 after the previous leader, Muhammad Gapusov, was removed by Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev due to a cotton-related corruption scandal. Niyazov, as leader of the Turkmen SSR, supported the coup against Mikhail Gorbachev in 1991 and retained control of the country after the fall of the Soviet Union. He became Turkmenistan's first and only "president".
They were all Communists and Soviet officials.
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Nov 16, 2006 13:43:19 GMT 3
To thediplomat. Which countries do you consider as Baltic states?
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Post by thediplomat on Nov 21, 2006 22:51:56 GMT 3
To thediplomat. Which countries do you consider as Baltic states? The ones that evryone considers: Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.. what about you? I hope you are not confusing The Baltics with The Balkans ;D |
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 21, 2006 23:05:46 GMT 3
To thediplomat. Which countries do you consider as Baltic states? The ones that evryone considers: Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.. what about you? I hope you are not confusing The Baltics with The Balkans ;D Baltic States are Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland. Baltic Nations are Lithuanians, Latvians, Prussians and Krivians. |
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Post by thediplomat on Nov 21, 2006 23:09:29 GMT 3
Dude, Finland is considered in Scandinavia by the all except for interesting people like you |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 21, 2006 23:22:50 GMT 3
Finland is Scandinavian to my knowledge, no matter how Uralic (Finno-Ugrian) speakers they are.
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 21, 2006 23:34:35 GMT 3
Finland isn't Baltic, but it shouldn't be considdered Scandinavian either...
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 22, 2006 2:38:47 GMT 3
Before WWII most people considered Finland to non-scandinavian country. And ever hear them Fennoskandia (Finland+scandinavia)? It is geographic term though. Here many people not consider it part of scandinavia. Well, racially and genetically we are very different than scandinavians. So it is not only language. I take it big insult if someone calls me scandinavian. That is like calling Turk to Kurd or Mongol to Chinese. And I'm not only Finn who thinks that way. Here is quite true explanation. Geographically we are not Baltic. Anyway, it not make sense that one Finnish tribe (Estonians) is called to Baltic and other tribes not. |
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