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Post by thediplomat on Nov 4, 2006 17:15:12 GMT 3
what do you guys think of the invasion of The Baltic states by the USSR in 1940? The Russian policy makers call it liberation and refuse to apoligize  Yesterday I and a friend of my from Krgysztan were talking to each other about a future invasion by the Russian Federation. We agreed that if it is to happen , we shall fight for Latvia till the last drop of blood we have. It should also be known that Turkey was one of the few countries that did not recognize the invasion of the 3 Baltic States by the Soviet Union. Therefere here The Baltic States have a sympathy towards Turkey  |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 4, 2006 22:02:11 GMT 3
A typical Stalinist Soviet act, nothing more. It was a tragedy for those poor nations.
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Post by raapi on Nov 6, 2006 16:06:48 GMT 3
Possibly comparable to the Baltic crusades, in ways, where the original pagan way of life was brutally suppressed with Christian thoughts enforced with the iron hand of the Teutonic order with the Poles' help...
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 6, 2006 17:13:58 GMT 3
Possibly comparable to the Baltic crusades, in ways, where the original pagan way of life was brutally suppressed with Christian thoughts enforced with the iron hand of the Teutonic order with the Poles' help... Well, Soviet Invasion against Finland and Baltics was just crime. I'm sorry about Baltics (And Finnics in Livonia and Estonia) who lost their freedom.   |
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Post by thediplomat on Nov 6, 2006 18:51:42 GMT 3
Possibly comparable to the Baltic crusades, in ways, where the original pagan way of life was brutally suppressed with Christian thoughts enforced with the iron hand of the Teutonic order with the Poles' help... Well, Soviet Invasion against Finland and Baltics was just crime. I'm sorry about Baltics (And Finnics in Livonia and Estonia) who lost their freedom. The Finns could fight The Red Army well in 1940 though. what is your opinion on the alliance between Finnland and third Reich during the operation Barbarossa? I think I can understand why The Baltics welcomed The Wehrmacht. |
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Post by raapi on Nov 6, 2006 19:33:22 GMT 3
Finland never really gave much in the way of an alliance to the third reich - they resisted numerous attempt by the nazi's to take advantage of their war with the soviets to drag them into the war on their side.
I too feel sorry for the Livonians etc and the countless smaller Finnic clans in what is now Russia that are doomed to extinction (some only have 2 or 3 native speakers of their own language.)
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 7, 2006 2:29:11 GMT 3
Well, Soviet Invasion against Finland and Baltics was just crime. I'm sorry about Baltics (And Finnics in Livonia and Estonia) who lost their freedom. The Finns could fight The Red Army well in 1940 though. what is your opinion on the alliance between Finnland and third Reich during the operation Barbarossa? I think I can understand why The Baltics welcomed The Wehrmacht. Finland made right when they alliated with Nazis. It was Russia, not Germany who wanted to destroy us. Only traitor mongrelheim(mannerheim) stopped that. In the name of Shamanist-Turanist General Wallenius! |
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 7, 2006 2:31:08 GMT 3
Finland never really gave much in the way of an alliance to the third reich - they resisted numerous attempt by the nazi's to take advantage of their war with the soviets to drag them into the war on their side. I too feel sorry for the Livonians etc and the countless smaller Finnic clans in what is now Russia that are doomed to extinction (some only have 2 or 3 native speakers of their own language.) Livonians have people in USA, Merya and Muroma are still exist, those most of them are brainwashed to be slav. My girlfriend is Meryan, so I happen to know about things.  I see that you are friend of Finland, like Nihal Atsiz was, so everything good to you. |
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Nov 7, 2006 9:09:07 GMT 3
It was cold war and what happened to Baltic States in some ways was justified. Now we can say whatever we want to, but during 1945 and after it was right choice by Soviet States to secure their positions if the next war was unleashed.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 7, 2006 10:09:49 GMT 3
In the name of Shamanist-Turanist General Wallenius! Can you please give us more information about him in a new thread? |
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Post by thediplomat on Nov 7, 2006 11:30:29 GMT 3
Finland never really gave much in the way of an alliance to the third reich - they resisted numerous attempt by the nazi's to take advantage of their war with the soviets to drag them into the war on their side. Dude, in both World Wars The Finns actively supported The Germans. In World War II , Finland was not a formal ally, but a co-belligerent. I think it is quite normal given the fact that in 1940 The Soviet Union was the agressor state to Finland. But I would object your argument that Finland resisted numerous attempt by The Nazis to take advantage of their war. Finland herself declared war on the USSR during the Operation Barbarossa, why should they not let their german allies defeat the enemy? Sorry but it did not make sense to me Also Adolf Hitler himself paid a special visit to Finland 1 year after the Operation Barbarossa started.  Adolf Hitler walking together with Finnish C-in-C Marshal of Finland Baron C. G. E. Mannerheim on 4 June 1942. Original text just visible on the right lower corner says: "German Reich Chanchellor with Marshal of Finland on His 75th birthday". In the end, I would like to make it clear that The Finnish and Baltic Supports to The Third reich are justified on the grounds that The USSR itself had turned out to be an imperialist state under Stalins leadership and Findland and The Baltic States had already suffered the consequences of his imperial policies |
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Post by thediplomat on Nov 7, 2006 15:27:51 GMT 3
It was cold war and what happened to Baltic States in some ways was justified. Now we can say whatever we want to, but during 1945 and after it was right choice by Soviet States to secure their positions if the next war was unleashed. How could 3 small Baltic States secure The Soviet position against The American threat?  What is more, may I remind you the fact that The USSR invaded these Baltic states in 1940 not during or after 1945. Please Let me inform you about the very facts of history. By invading The Baltic States and Poland and attacking Finland , The USSR sought to restore what it lost after The Bolshevik Revolution. As you may probably know, after the revolution, The Bolsheviks withdrawl from the war and signed a treaty with Central Powers that bears the name Brest-Litovsk (a city in current Belarus). By this treaty The Baltic States, Finland, Poland were lost. So The Russian justification of this war could be niether the coming of the Cold War or liberation from The Nazis. In their hearts, the Communists wanted to re-gain what their ancestors had gained during 300 years of expansion. |
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Post by raapi on Nov 7, 2006 20:01:57 GMT 3
Finland never really gave much in the way of an alliance to the third reich - they resisted numerous attempt by the nazi's to take advantage of their war with the soviets to drag them into the war on their side. I too feel sorry for the Livonians etc and the countless smaller Finnic clans in what is now Russia that are doomed to extinction (some only have 2 or 3 native speakers of their own language.) Livonians have people in USA, Merya and Muroma are still exist, those most of them are brainwashed to be slav. My girlfriend is Meryan, so I happen to know about things. I see that you are friend of Finland, like Nihal Atsiz was, so everything good to you. Hmm, not heard of the Meryan people, learn smth new everyday! Nihal Atsiz wanted to militarily help Suomi against Russia, but was not supported in that sentiment... Thanks for all the good things, viva Turkkilainen-Suomi friendship! |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 7, 2006 22:55:48 GMT 3
Please Let me inform you about the very facts of history. By invading The Baltic States and Poland and attacking Finland , The USSR sought to restore what it lost after The Bolshevik Revolution. As you may probably know, after the revolution, The Bolsheviks withdrawl from the war and signed a treaty with Central Powers that bears the name Brest-Litovsk (a city in current Belarus). By this treaty The Baltic States, Finland, Poland were lost. So The Russian justification of this war could be niether the coming of the Cold War or liberation from The Nazis. In their hearts, the Communists wanted to re-gain what their ancestors had gained during 300 years of expansion. Yes, just like how the USSR invaded Ukraine, Caucasia and Turkistân several years after the nations of these areas declared their independence. |
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Post by thediplomat on Nov 7, 2006 23:57:41 GMT 3
exactly, Tigin
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