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Urumchi
Dec 30, 2007 13:51:55 GMT 3
Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2007 13:51:55 GMT 3
Urumchi is the capital city of E.T. but it's not an Uyghur word. Some of my Uyghur friends have told me it's a Mongol word, is this true? If so, what does it mean?
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Urumchi
Dec 30, 2007 15:32:26 GMT 3
Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 30, 2007 15:32:26 GMT 3
My Mongol dictionary doesn't have such a word
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Urumchi
Dec 30, 2007 18:34:04 GMT 3
Post by Temüjin on Dec 30, 2007 18:34:04 GMT 3
this is what wikipedia says:
"Following the founding of the People's Republic of China, on February 1, 1954, the city was renamed Ürümqi, meaning " beautiful pasture" in the Mongolian language of the Junggar tribe."
but they also claim the city was founded by the Chinese...
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Post by Bor Chono on Dec 31, 2007 9:45:25 GMT 3
I`m not a djungar so I can`t help U ;D Oromj=Oromch can be "shelter"
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Dec 31, 2007 11:02:11 GMT 3
Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2007 11:02:11 GMT 3
this is what wikipedia says: "Following the founding of the People's Republic of China, on February 1, 1954, the city was renamed Ürümqi, meaning " beautiful pasture" in the Mongolian language of the Junggar tribe." but they also claim the city was founded by the Chinese... Yea I think that's what I was told it means. Ha, the Chinese say they claimed everything. ;D
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Post by pantigin on Feb 10, 2008 0:46:05 GMT 3
Urumchi, as my grandfather told me, is purely uighur means harvester. orum/orma=harvest, chi=doer Urumchi was a small village by urumchi river at the times of Ediqut State, built by uighurs.
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Post by pantigin on Mar 18, 2008 9:37:35 GMT 3
My grandfather once said it is common for all turks that we don't write history much and this has been our fatal mistake through the centuries. So one should know how important to master your own history. In my land few people know the real name of his homeland, they just know the chinese colonial name Xinjiang(new territory) without knowing the shameful meaning of it. You know the chinese language is a very strange language that always pronounces the foreign names 100% totally different. For example when I say purely in my language" myunih" or "miyunheen" for the name of Munich Germany, the Germans will understand. But if a chinese say munehei, I think no body can follow him/her.Nyuyork for Newyork is almost same but the chinese version Niuyue is something ALIEN for a newyorker. Why I am talking about the veracity of chinese language, because most of our forefathers history was recorded by those people in their language. So let's learn history happily and write history accurately at least for our generations.
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Urumchi
Mar 18, 2008 11:32:13 GMT 3
Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2008 11:32:13 GMT 3
Yea the Chinese pronounce foreign words very poorly, probably the worst English accent in the world.
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Mar 18, 2008 11:33:44 GMT 3
Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2008 11:33:44 GMT 3
In my land few people know the real name of his homeland, they just know the chinese colonial name Xinjiang(new territory) without knowing the shameful meaning of it. I wouldn't agree with that, I've never met an Uyghur here that doesn't know the real name of their nation, even Uyghurs in Chinese schools know it.
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Mar 18, 2008 16:22:59 GMT 3
Post by pantigin on Mar 18, 2008 16:22:59 GMT 3
In my land few people know the real name of his homeland, they just know the chinese colonial name Xinjiang(new territory) without knowing the shameful meaning of it. I wouldn't agree with that, I've never met an Uyghur here that doesn't know the real name of their nation, even Uyghurs in Chinese schools know it. Some people really does, the point is that you have not reached such corners yet.
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Urumchi
Mar 19, 2008 10:59:12 GMT 3
Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2008 10:59:12 GMT 3
So far I haven't met anyone like that, and hopefully I don't.
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Mar 19, 2008 16:00:48 GMT 3
Post by nanman on Mar 19, 2008 16:00:48 GMT 3
Urumqi was also told to me to have Mongolian language origins. I was told it meant "Eternal beautiful pasture".
As for Uighuristan and ET, I am sure every non Han resident knows. Even the Han would say
Wei Wu Er Si Tan (Uighuristan) Ha sa ke si Tan (Kazakhstan)
Xinjiang does not really mean anything derogatory in Chinese langauge. Its mean New Dominion. Although I understand this is not a good name from Turkic friends perspective in that its implies "Occupation"
Xinjiang was named by the Manchu Qing conquerors who annexed the area. To them it was the "New Dominion". Chinese then inherited these places name.
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Mar 19, 2008 21:31:13 GMT 3
Post by pantigin on Mar 19, 2008 21:31:13 GMT 3
Urumqi was also told to me to have Mongolian language origins. I was told it meant "Eternal beautiful pasture". As for Uighuristan and ET, I am sure every non Han resident knows. Even the Han would say Wei Wu Er Si Tan (Uighuristan) Ha sa ke si Tan (Kazakhstan) Xinjiang does not really mean anything derogatory in Chinese langauge. Its mean New Dominion. Although I understand this is not a good name from Turkic friends perspective in that its implies "Occupation" Xinjiang was named by the Manchu Qing conquerors who annexed the area. To them it was the "New Dominion". Chinese then inherited these places name. So please ask any of your mongol friends does Urumchi really mean so called Eternal beautiful pasture as you have mentioned. Because I did that before and my mongol friends denied that.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 20, 2008 0:19:19 GMT 3
Eternal is "Mönkh" (Möngke) in Mongolian.
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Post by nanman on Mar 20, 2008 0:23:15 GMT 3
So please ask any of your mongol friends does Urumchi really mean so called Eternal beautiful pasture as you have mentioned. Because I did that before and my mongol friends denied that. Probably doesn't I guess some of us just listen to what we get told. Most of the info seems to say its in ancient Jungar Mongol language. If it is really a Uighur place name then its time to set the record straight.
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