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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 25, 2006 15:20:01 GMT 3
That is not related with the topic
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Post by balamir on Nov 25, 2006 17:51:47 GMT 3
Know,but ý saw the information of the book you were talking about and ý didn't see any information about their Turk origins...I wanted to talk about it,sorry.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 25, 2006 19:51:17 GMT 3
You can open a thread in a different board
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 25, 2006 23:55:04 GMT 3
that book has nothing about Steppe history... BTW balamir, there is no western bias. Huns seem to have belonged to the Turkic speaking world but there is no reason to explicitly mention that on every occasion...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 26, 2006 0:25:45 GMT 3
There are some information on the Cumans, as far as I remember. But it is not directly related with the Steppe (actually, Hungary is a part of the Steppe ). About the second question. There is no need to give information about the ethnicities when talking about military history. I will also not care too much about ethnicities when making researches on Steppe Military History (the branch I want to study in the future). Ethnicities and origins get important in works regarding ethnical and lingual problems. For example, for someone researching Scythian military, the ethnic compositions or the origins of the Scythians are not important and these are not required to be given information about. It is the ethnologists and linguists who have to discuss ethnic and lingual problems, not military historians.
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 26, 2006 0:36:02 GMT 3
There are some information on the Cumans, as far as I remember. But it is not directly related with the Steppe (actually, Hungary is a part of the Steppe ). yeah, but doesn't Saladin and the Saracens have more on Steppe warfare (Great Seljuks, Atabeghliks, Rum-Seljuks)? regarding Hungary, in 1000 AD Hungary was already mostly in the military tradition of western european knights. The Age of Charlemagne has a bit about Avars and early Magyars...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 26, 2006 1:11:11 GMT 3
Yes, you are totally right And people, tell us which Osprey books on Steppe warfare you have I currently have the "Attila and the Nomad Hordes" and "The Age of Tamerlane". I also ordered "Horse Archers of the Steppe", "The Sarmatians" and "The Mongol Warrior" yesterday night, they will arrive probably a month later. I will buy the others later.
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 26, 2006 1:15:20 GMT 3
i have all of those you mentioned, except for the book from the Essential Histories series. the Hun warrior book will arrive within the next 10 days or so. but i am a little angry at Osprey because i heard the Hun book only has 6 plates, initially Warrior-series books even had 10 plates!
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 26, 2006 15:38:06 GMT 3
I am also planning to buy that when it comes out
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 27, 2006 0:55:24 GMT 3
it has been released on 23 november.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 27, 2006 21:22:25 GMT 3
I will order it next month than, because I already ordered three books
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Nov 28, 2006 19:44:34 GMT 3
Jaraghan Temir Kigender is a book in Qazaq written by Akhmetjanov Kaliolla Samatulu; it has some nice information on Turkic warriors, but the book is hard to acquire, plus it is not in English. I have that book. I can scan some images later.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 28, 2006 19:48:28 GMT 3
Is there any way I can require it? What is it's ISBN? Is it worth buying? We would be glad if you can share it's plates with us
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Post by Temüjin on Dec 6, 2006 21:19:55 GMT 3
I have received the Hun book a week ago. well, as mentioned the plates are few and of rather bad quality compared to other plates done by Christa Hook, and i don't like the depiction of Alans on the plate of the battle of Chalons, they should look like Steppe warriors and not like Germanic footsoldiers! also, most b/w pictures show depictions of Huns of much later periods, but of course i realize that there is almost no original archeological evidence from the Huns be it weapons or depictions in general. text-wise it seems better than expected, the author afterall is more from the Graeco-Roman branch and he mentions really often that Huns are Turkic, something not common in western books...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 6, 2006 21:29:55 GMT 3
So the book is worth buying There are actually some weapons found belonging to the Huns:
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