Yakuts and Dolgans

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Sakha music

www.uni-bonn.de/~uzsylm/sakha/bib/yryalar.html

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aca said:

Listen to more Sakha "Olonkhos".
doydu.sakhaopenworld.org/modules/debaser/genre.php?genreid=9

Interesting, they sing like Native Americans!!!

I'm not surprised, Turks and Native Americans are connected. We used to be the same wayyyy back in the day.

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feramez211 said:

aca said:

Listen to more Sakha "Olonkhos".
doydu.sakhaopenworld.org/modules/debaser/genre.php?genreid=9

Interesting, they sing like Native Americans!!!

I'm not surprised, Turks and Native Americans are connected. We used to be the same wayyyy back in the day.

Do you mean all Native Americans?

I know Altaic connections just with Tlingits, Aleutians and other thosekind of nations in USA and Canada.

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feramez211 said:

I'm not surprised, Turks and Native Americans are connected.

The object above is called "serge".

It is a wooden or stone poles in the places where shamanistic rituals were performed. But more oftenly them would just be used to tie the horse and indicated the hospitability of the owner.

They are very similar to the totem poles of the Native Americans:

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www.alaskacdc.org/images/Sitka%20Totem%20Pole.JPG



And this wooden guy from the Sitka National Historic Park in Alaska, USA very much resembles the stone "balbal" sculptures of the Heavenly Turks:

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bawirsaq said:

feramez211 said:

I'm not surprised, Turks and Native Americans are connected.

The object above is called "serge".

It is a wooden or stone poles in the places where shamanistic rituals were performed. But more oftenly them would just be used to tie the horse and indicated the hospitability of the owner.

They are very similar to the totem poles of the Native Americans:

Those are not made by Indians. I have talked with some Tlingit and he only hated red-skins.

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verinenparoni said:

Those are not made by Indians.

Then it must be Europeans ;D

www.sfu.ca/archaeology/museum/galltour/totemgal.htm
www.sfu.ca/archaeology/museum/totempoles/thumbn.htm

I have talked with some Tlingit and he only hated red-skins.

What does that supposed to mean? What redskins?

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Unlike Dolgans who are mixed with Tungus a lot, Sakha people retained a lot of their Central Asian nomadic culture, the main would be the excellent horse riding.

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bawirsaq said:

verinenparoni said:

Those are not made by Indians.

Then it must be Europeans ;D

www.sfu.ca/archaeology/museum/galltour/totemgal.htm
www.sfu.ca/archaeology/museum/totempoles/thumbn.htm

I have talked with some Tlingit and he only hated red-skins.

What does that supposed to mean? What redskins?

In Indian (Native-American) I mean person like sioux, cheyenne, apache etc...

And why you said that "Then it must be Europeans ;D"?

I happen to hate Europe (though there lives also good nations) and I'm not european.

Those Totems were build by Altaic and Paleo-Siberians relatives in America.

Red-skin means typical Indian (mohawk, irokeesh, sioux and so on...).

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verinenparoni said:

And why you said that "Then it must be Europeans ;D"?

I was joking because I misunderstood you.

In Indian (Native-American) I mean person like sioux, cheyenne, apache etc...

Red-skin means typical Indian (mohawk, irokeesh, sioux and so on...).

Both "Indian" and "redskin" are derogatory and inappropriate words. Moreover, in my opinion, "redskin" is a racist word.

Please, don't use them regarding the indigenous peoples of Americas.

In Indian (Native-American) I mean...

Those Totems were build by Altaic and Paleo-Siberians relatives in America.

You are wrong.

Most (if not all) of the indigenous peoples of Americas are descended from peoples living in Siberia.

Navajo, Cherokee, Sioux, Apache, Iroquois are also descendants of the ancient Siberians, as well as Mayas, Aztecs, and Incas.

"Native American" is the proper term that refers to all of Americas' indigenous peoples.

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verinenparoni said:

feramez211 said:

I'm not surprised, Turks and Native Americans are connected. We used to be the same wayyyy back in the day.

Do you mean all Native Americans?

I know Altaic connections just with Tlingits, Aleutians and other thosekind of nations in USA and Canada.

I don't know much about the Native Americans in Central and South America, I don't think there's a connection with them. I'm talking about North American Native Americans.

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verinenparoni said:

feramez211 said:

I'm not surprised, Turks and Native Americans are connected. We used to be the same wayyyy back in the day.

Do you mean all Native Americans?

I know Altaic connections just with Tlingits, Aleutians and other thosekind of nations in USA and Canada.

Actually, I do remember reading about ancient Peruvians and ancient Turks having many myths and legends which are surprisingly very much the same.

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Actually, I do remember reading about ancient Peruvians and ancient Turks having many myths and legends which are surprisingly very much the same.

Few years ago one Finnish professor made research about linguistical similarities between kechuans/quichuans and Uralic-Altaic languages, and there was something.

Both "Indian" and "redskin" are derogatory and inappropriate words. Moreover, in my opinion, "redskin" is a racist word.

There is no racist words. It is people who made some words to racist.

Most (if not all) of the indigenous peoples of Americas are descended from peoples living in Siberia.

Navajo, Cherokee, Sioux, Apache, Iroquois are also descendants of the ancient Siberians, as well as Mayas, Aztecs, and Incas.

"Native American" is the proper term that refers to all of Americas' indigenous peoples.

The fact is that they all have came from Siberia. But before people like Tlingits came to there, there was already clovisian culture which was made by those who came first and much before (cherokees, apaches etc...)

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verinenparoni said:

Most (if not all) of the indigenous peoples of Americas are descended from peoples living in Siberia.

Navajo, Cherokee, Sioux, Apache, Iroquois are also descendants of the ancient Siberians, as well as Mayas, Aztecs, and Incas.

"Native American" is the proper term that refers to all of Americas' indigenous peoples.

The fact is that they all have came from Siberia. But before people like Tlingits came to there, there was already clovisian culture which was made by those who came first and much before (cherokees, apaches etc...)

They all came from Siberia. Period.

Of course people like Tlingit didn't lose their Siberian culture as much as the other Native Americans who spread all over the American continents, but that doesn't mean that you can look down on other Native Americans by calling them "redskin Indians" and so on.

"Redskin" and "Indian" are ignorant terms that were invented by the Europeans. You don't like Europeans, but you're eager to copy the ignorant names they use.

Clovis culture was the culture of those who came from Siberia thru the Bering Strait. It was prominent in the late ice age.

Maybe you wanted to say PRE-Clovis culture?

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Of course people like Tlingit didn't lose their Siberian culture as much as the other Native Americans who spread all over the American continents, but that doesn't mean that you can look down on other Native Americans by calling them "redskin Indians" and so on.

"Redskin" and "Indian" are ignorant terms that were invented by the Europeans. You don't like Europeans, but you're eager to copy the ignorant names they use.

It was a Tlingit himself who called them to "filthy redskins" for me. In few years I'll visit to Alaska and ask local people their opinions of those others... Then we both might be more smart.

Clovis culture was the culture of those who came from Siberia thru the Bering Strait. It was prominent in the late ice age.

Maybe you wanted to say PRE-Clovis culture?

I meant clovis-culture but those who for example built those totems were not part of that clovis-culture but they came much later.