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Post by nijat on Feb 17, 2008 22:07:18 GMT 3
China has not got much of an oil resources. They get it from Sudan.
I think it is senseless to call Russia or China an enemy, neither West or USA, because it is time for cooperation in the forld - especiall economic, and those bloody wars and mass occupations are ebhind. Even USA, invadin 2 countries sees bunch of press from the world.
I believe our greatest enemy is antidemocracy, despotism and authocracy in poor countries.
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Without Uighurs, there was no Mahmud and without him, there is no complete stories of Turks !
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Post by pantigin on Feb 18, 2008 20:50:31 GMT 3
Ey qara turkum, kozungni ach, etrapke baq, korgeningning aqi qara, ya qarasi aq , shu shamal hem korunmesten ochurer sham, yawleringden bolsang agah kelmes chataq ! ----- by Erki translation: Oh my turks open your eyes and behold around, Maybe what you saw is a white thing or black one, The wind can blow out your candle without a trace, Look sharp at your enemies, then you shall be safe (bad translation  ) |
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Post by nijat on Feb 19, 2008 10:45:46 GMT 3
OMG, now let me translate it into Azeri, u'll see how we are similar:
Ey boyuk Turkum, kozunu ach, etrafa bax,
Gorgunen ag qaradirmi, ya qara agdirmi,
bu kulek hech gorunmeden (bir goz qirpiminda) kechirer shami,
Yagilardan olsan agah, tehluke olmaz
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Post by nanman on Feb 22, 2008 21:41:28 GMT 3
From the view of a Mongolian/Turkic person
China, Russia, Iran, EU (Notice they are all your neighbours?)
From the view of a Chinese
US, Japan, Russia (2 of them neighbours that we feel have hurt us the most)
Seems like every neighbour of the Altaic world has hurt you else you are not very good neighbours with anyone. I feel the its the first reason. Thats why there is a sense of paranoia.
Anyway, I do feel its time we move on from grudging about the past. Should a Turkic union superstate be form. I think it will be a good idea because trade between China and Turkic Union will be simple like trading with the EU rather than negotiating deals with every member state.
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Post by Temüjin on Feb 22, 2008 22:15:17 GMT 3
From the view of a Chinese US, Japan, Russia (2 of them neighbours that we feel have hurt us the most) USA?  USA helped against the japanese and later against the Communists. and what about europeans, particularly the French & british and the opium wars? |
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Post by nanman on Feb 22, 2008 22:32:05 GMT 3
US is the current big hypocritical big brother. It is also seen as the stirrer of trouble between Japan with Taiwan against China. It also owns most of the western media and is sometimes spreading just as much rubbish as China's propaganda.
Japan is because of the Hurt felt during the WW2 and its hideous crimes against not just Chinese but some Altaic country. And if Japan had not invaded at that time the Communists in China would not have got into power and made people of China suffer bad. I also attribute some of this to why Uighuristan ended up suffering in the hands of the CCP and how Mao gobbled it up.
Russia, now this is an interesting one. Although right now politically they appear close. From a sino-centric point of view in the last 200 years, its the one that has taken the most territory from this so called Chinese empire. The Chinese feel half of Manchuria been lost to them. They also feel Chinese lost the rest of Mongolia because of them.
Although I am glad Mongolia has had its independence and I respect that. I am a Chinese who thinks Mongolian are Citizens of the Republic of Mongolia and an independent state and good neighbour. People from Inner Mongolia province who are Mongol ethnic group by descent are Chinese nationals of the Mongol ethnic group.
Ps I think some Chinese are a bit confused is well when they blatantly say Mongolians are Chinese. Some are Han Chauvinsts but some have got their terminology mixed up.
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Post by nanman on Feb 22, 2008 22:56:59 GMT 3
The UK and France. That has now been seen as bygones. They are no longer seen as imperialists and especially France, most Chinese that I know seem to have very high respect for.
The UK is beginning to get laughed at for its close-ness to the US. Its completely lost its direction and therefore not seen as an enemy.
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Post by tengrikut on Feb 24, 2008 0:20:51 GMT 3
it is about enemies of people of steppes  |
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 27, 2008 2:57:26 GMT 3
I can't choose, none of them are the greatest or most respected enemies. I have to say we are our own worst enemy, and history has proven this like 50,000 times its so hard to get the fact out of my head long enough to even vote on this poll.
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Post by kirischi on Jul 16, 2008 2:33:45 GMT 3
Irregardless of who in the past has been our enemy, or in the future who will, we have to be cold-blooded and calculating. We must not build our strategy based on emotions, but rather on what will benefit us the most. To give a real example, let us consider Iran, where there is a strong possibility of war. First off let me say that I am against all wars, but if it is going to happen, all neighboring countries must make certain decisions, and 3 Turkic countries fall into this catagory, Turkey, Azerbaijani, and Turkmenistan. This will ofcourse be a real test for the 3 Turkic coutries, if they can manage to be united in their moves, a huge step will have been taken, politically. Having seen the Iraqi war unfold before our very eyes, it would be easy to anticipate the steps that will be taken by the USA.
The official reason or rather excuse is of course, the weapons of mass destruction, but once the war starts the real reasons will surface. The US will claim that the straits of Hormuz is crucial for security, and the flow of global oil, therefore the coast running from Basra to the straits of Hormuz will be the first to be secured, if there is to be a land invasion that is. With Iranian forces tied-up in the south, the armed Kurdish population might seize the opputunity and try to secure the border region with Turkey, which is populated by Azeri Turks. This is a real possibility, many American maps projecting the new look for the region, have placed the border regions within the new Kurdistan. Therefore once the war starts, or better yet once it is certain that war is on the horizon, Turkey, AZ, and Turkmenistan must supply the Turkish population with weapons, under the table of course. If there is to be a power vacuum, things will happen fast, and being prepared is the only way to act fast.
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Jul 16, 2008 12:47:12 GMT 3
support them to do hwhat?
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Post by greathun on Jul 30, 2008 5:50:20 GMT 3
I think, not 100% sure, that it was turkic people killed most turkic people over the course of history. So be careful what you are wishing for. support them to do hwhat? |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 30, 2008 20:06:19 GMT 3
That is so true indeed.
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Post by kirischi on Jul 31, 2008 18:18:10 GMT 3
I think, not 100% sure, that it was turkic people killed most turkic people over the course of history. So be careful what you are wishing for. support them to do hwhat? Well I do not know exactly what u r implying, all I am implying is that people should be able to defend themselves. What we have also seen in the course of history is that unarmed populations tend to get brutally killed, raped, burned, etc... And also after so much needless bloodshed in Turkic history, one would hope that we have grown more mature and intelligent to repeat such foolishness, if not then we are a doomed people for sure |
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Post by greathun on Aug 2, 2008 5:31:11 GMT 3
I was implying in a choatic world with everyone armed. There is a good chance turkic people will fight each other if you look back into history.
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USA helped against the japanese and later against the Communists. and what about europeans, particularly the French & british and the opium wars?
