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Post by leeli on Aug 18, 2007 16:54:43 GMT 3
I agree with the idea that the "yourself" is the greatest enemy of yours. So clearly conflict will benefit nobody. We should think more on mutual beneficial terms. But unfortuately, steppe is becoming another focal point for the worlds powers to play the great "Chess Game". So there will be ousiders trying to sow seeds of conflict to the steppe people. So cool and clear heads are needed.
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 18, 2007 23:07:37 GMT 3
I think China will grow much stronger than Russia in the next twenty years. Because of the national security and oil resource, I foresee a lot of tensions between China and pan-turkists, islamists, and turkism nationalists. But, personally, I don't see any fundmental conflict between China and steppe nations. I see more reasons to coorporate. cooperation in your mouth means exploitation, there is no way the Central Asian countries can profit from China. we already see how China exploits African countries today... and as for Chians Golden Future, well, maybe you have 15 or even 25 years ahead but then Chinas system will collapse by itself because it will simply overextend itself and collapse like a balloon losing its air. |
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Aug 22, 2007 0:50:32 GMT 3
Again and again humanity makes mistakes and don't even try to learn from it. We search for the enemy means we search for trouble. But how do we recognize the enemy? We try to see the rotting spot on the back of our neighbors. We try to find in them the evil intentions. We sometimes want to see in them the enemies. BUT after we do all that we forget that they are our neighbors. We overshadow their good intentions and very bond that we had. We became blind to the good things.
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Post by illumji on Aug 29, 2007 7:51:05 GMT 3
the chinese to the south, and the russians to the north
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Post by perszeusz on Aug 30, 2007 7:14:03 GMT 3
In the West, the Persians, tough that depends on the historical era. They had long and hard fights, but helped each other sometimes.
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Post by illumji on Aug 31, 2007 23:22:26 GMT 3
I think in modern day terms, perhaps the chinese, look at what they have done to Tibet, I'm sure if had a chance they would do that to us, how many Mongols are in "nei-mongu" Inner Mongolia, they have made them assimulate into the chinese....
I have also been to many business trips to taiwan, many times I have argued with the people there, they asked me who am I? I say I'm Mongol, and they reply no you mean chinese, I say no I'm Mongol, they say its all the same...
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Post by perszeusz on Sept 1, 2007 8:09:12 GMT 3
You're right, Mongols are confused with chinese most of the time by ignorant folks, I bet that was not the case a while ago...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 4, 2007 12:18:27 GMT 3
The Chinese are quiet fascistic about such issues.
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Post by miffy2007 on Oct 7, 2007 20:41:56 GMT 3
I think in modern day terms, perhaps the chinese, look at what they have done to Tibet, I'm sure if had a chance they would do that to us, how many Mongols are in "nei-mongu" Inner Mongolia, they have made them assimulate into the chinese.... I have also been to many business trips to taiwan, many times I have argued with the people there, they asked me who am I? I say I'm Mongol, and they reply no you mean chinese, I say no I'm Mongol, they say its all the same... I think the most important thing is to teach your kids and future generation to be proud of who they are, no matter where they are, they have to be respectful of customs and ancient wisdoms that are handled down from their ancestors. Someone on this thread said earlier that we have to learn from history so we can stop repeating the same mistakes. I couldn't agree more. I honestly don't think the Chinese are anymore evil or good than any other races - if you look deeply, to a certain degree, we've all been racist or whatever at some moment. I'm sure some of us here have had racist thoughts toward black people (I apologize to the black folks) or anyone who're not of our race. The colonialists 100 years ago were the Brits, 500 years ago were the Spaniards; and now Chinese are the colonialists but fast foward to 17th century, it was the Manchus, even earlier, it was the Mongols. Some race/culture/ethnicities might stand on a moral high ground to say their conquest bring prosperity (ie, China "liberated" Tibet; Mongols "unified" China; Spaniards "cleansed" the sins of the non-Christian, indigenious native Americans brethens, etc, etc) However, the reality is that it doesn't matter what they did to colonize other people - a war is a war and the end doesn't justify the means. As long as there were people hurt and suffered during the process, any conquest can't be deemed as a good thing. The problem is that people don't learn from the past and keep making the same mistake again and again. I've moved from the states temporarily to take up a job in Xi'an. I see the so-called "economic progress" that's going on in China which brings complete destruction to society - it creats a whole new set of social problems that China hasn't encountered before. People become greedy and would do anything for money and fame. Yes, every country has to do whatever it can to survive, but at what rate? Is western style of economic development the only way? Sometimes I wonder why hasn't the whole world got blown up already?? |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 8, 2007 0:14:31 GMT 3
Hello miffy2007, welcome aboard  |
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Post by kruszmagyar on Nov 12, 2007 19:33:24 GMT 3
For me the Europeans in general. Not only did they defeat my people in battle but ever since they have spread lies and political propaganda about the origins of my people. By this I mean the so-called Finno-Ugric theory.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 14, 2007 17:53:15 GMT 3
For me the Europeans in general. Not only did they defeat my people in battle but ever since they have spread lies and political propaganda about the origins of my people. By this I mean the so-called Finno-Ugric theory. Do not worry. I am proud that I am not related to your people what are Turanians only linguistically. So long slavo-germanic kid... |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 14, 2007 19:28:29 GMT 3
The Hungarians still partially keep their Turanic looks; at least, the Hungarians I saw and met are.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 14, 2007 19:41:29 GMT 3
The Hungarians still partially keep their Turanic looks; at least, the Hungarians I saw and met are. Well Anda, my comment was too rude, but I hate that when some Magyars talks about Finno-Ugric theory that they means to say that Finns are either scandinavians or uncivilized. Thats why my comment... |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 15, 2007 1:57:01 GMT 3
Hmm Anda I didn't feel like our new member tried to say anything like that, but I guess you experienced such events so your reaction is normal.
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