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Post by boleslawi on Apr 6, 2020 3:38:19 GMT 3
Hi all! In Mount and Blade Warband mod: Rus 13th century. There is a specific item that is designed for the Mongols. I have attached the files in this thread. I wonder if there is any historical evidence for this war mask to be used by the Ulus in early times. I know that war masks are usually associated with the tribes inhabiting in the Western (Russian) steppe, like the Qipchaqs, the Cumans. I have seen archaelogical evidences for this. But I haven't a Mongol war mask before. It would be great if someone can supply further evidences to support this depiction in modern games. Attachments:
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 6, 2020 15:29:40 GMT 3
As the Golden Horde's population was made up of mostly Qïpchaqs, its armies also used masked helmets as seen in these pictures. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 6, 2020 15:31:55 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 6, 2020 15:33:20 GMT 3
Sometimes aventails made from chain mail were also used to cover the faces. |
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Post by Temüjin on Apr 8, 2020 21:00:09 GMT 3
yes the likely source of this helmet is seen in the second picture posted by Ihsan, the one without number. it's from a late 14th century Shahname now in the Topkapi museum. the full source is for example in the "Age of Tamerlane" Osprey book. Druzhina might have the original source somewhere in his collection.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 8, 2020 22:25:45 GMT 3
Yes indeed.
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Post by Druzhina on Apr 13, 2020 13:16:58 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 13, 2020 18:12:03 GMT 3
Great share, thank you Druzhina.
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Post by Druzhina on Apr 15, 2020 4:30:51 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 15, 2020 14:24:55 GMT 3
Ah, that famous one.
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Post by boleslawi on Apr 27, 2020 9:03:32 GMT 3
I don't know how to thank you for providing these links. I have finally found a picture that I've been longing more. Even more, the old picture that I have is of a much smaller resolution. The picture in the link you provided is very high quality! I greatly appreciate it!  |
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Post by snafu on May 14, 2020 1:47:51 GMT 3
As far as the early Mongols go there isn't much evidence of mask-wearing, but anything's possible. Some kind of face-protection would make sense, at least for heavy shock troops. If they did wear masks they were probably based on Jurchen masks, which were much cruder than the well-sculpted Cuman masks.    I've seen a lot of depictions of Mongols wearing battle masks and I think a lot of that is just poetic license. Masks look cooler. In areas where masks were common, like on the westerns steppes, it makes sense. But in Mongolia, China, etc. I don't think you would've seen as many masks. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 14, 2020 2:43:14 GMT 3
I agree with snafu.
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Post by snafu on May 14, 2020 6:55:39 GMT 3
By the Ming dynasty there were several Chinese armors that used masks. The "dragon scale armor" was made of cured leather and included a face mask.  Same for "golden scale armor".  |
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Post by Temüjin on May 14, 2020 12:08:36 GMT 3
Archaeologists were much more active in western Eurasia than East Asia, so we might find more evidence of war masks eventually.
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