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Post by Temüjin on Jul 11, 2007 23:17:38 GMT 3
magnificent pictures!  are there more pictures in this book or is it just about Indo-Iranian Steppe warriors? also is the Sarmatian horseman bottom right in Roman service? the armour looks like lorica segmentata, which is not used by cavalrymen... |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 13, 2007 1:28:33 GMT 3
It also has Xiongnu, Huns, Tujue, Uyghurs, Qyrghyz, Kimeks, Oghuz, Qypchaqs, Mongols and Qazaqs.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Jul 13, 2007 6:51:54 GMT 3
I'll try to post other pictures later.
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Post by Temüjin on Jul 13, 2007 19:50:30 GMT 3
It also has Xiongnu, Huns, Tujue, Uyghurs, Qyrghyz, Kimeks, Oghuz, Qypchaqs, Mongols and Qazaqs. I look forward to see them!  |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 13, 2007 20:55:40 GMT 3
I can scan them in my free time, and Bawirsaq Yabghu can do it too |
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Post by cataphract on Jul 16, 2007 18:32:47 GMT 3
What a relieve to hear you have the book in which to find the small pictures of the Saka warriors! Because of the peculiar form of leg armour the cav.man is wearing, the pictures are very interesting for me. If you would be so kind to scan those pictures in high resolution and post them here or mail them to me I would be very gratefull.If you decide to mail them I can give you my mail adress. Thanks Greetings Cataphract Images by a Kazak military expert Qaliolla AhmetjanovSaka warriors5-3 centuries BC  Scythian warriors5-1 centuries BC  Sarmatian warriors6-1 centuries BC  Dear BAWIR$AQ, Thanks for scanning the pictures to high resolution.They're great. I wonder if the book gives any information about the construction of the armour which the 2 Saka cavalryman are wearing.Perhaps the author tells something more about the Saka wearing the bronze cuirass and very uncommom iron banded skirt. I'm looking forward to see some other pictures of the book. Greetings Cataphract |
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Post by cataphract on Jul 19, 2007 23:08:17 GMT 3
magnificent pictures! are there more pictures in this book or is it just about Indo-Iranian Steppe warriors? also is the Sarmatian horseman bottom right in Roman service? the armour looks like lorica segmentata, which is not used by cavalrymen... The Sarmatians must have used a form of banded armour.If I'm not mistaken figures wearing this kind of armour can be seen on Trajan's Column.If the armour was made of leather or iron bands, we cannot know.I suppose both materials were in use.We can see that this armour looked a bit like lorica segmentata. To compensate for the lack of heavy shock cavalry within their own ranks, the Romans in the beginning (before they had the time to adopt and train their own troops to a high degree of cavalry fighting) certainly enlisted Sarmatian cavalrymen. Archaeological evidence of Sarmatians at least supplementing the Roman troops has been found in Great Britain.This means that the Roman practise of enlisting formal enemies to fill in the lack of special troops within the Roman army even was used in such far away Roman provinces as Britain.This makes sence because the Romans used to station these auxiliaries as far away as possible from their native homeland to avoid desertation. Greetings Cataphract |
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Post by Temüjin on Jul 19, 2007 23:46:44 GMT 3
To compensate for the lack of heavy shock cavalry within their own ranks, the Romans in the beginning (before they had the time to adopt and train their own troops to a high degree of cavalry fighting) certainly enlisted Sarmatian cavalrymen. when exactly did this happen? i mean, did the Roman used 'native' cavalry at all? i always had the impression that Romes cavalry force was entirely composed of non-Romans throughout history. |
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Post by cataphract on Jul 20, 2007 0:38:28 GMT 3
Confrontation with horse-fighting people (Parthians, Sassanids and later Sarmatians) forced the Roman army, which was an infantry army, to adopt cavalry detachments in their army.
At first they used non-romans (Celts,Germans,Sarmatians).By the late Roman period onwards these detachments evolved from being composed of entirely non-roman to a mix of natives(foreign) and purely Roman cavalrymen.Evidence for this is that the Romans had training-camps for their cavalry where they could learn the riding skills.
Greetings
Cataphract
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 20, 2007 1:03:46 GMT 3
During the Republican period, there were cavalry units recruited from vassal Italian city-states.
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Post by Temüjin on Jul 20, 2007 9:09:55 GMT 3
During the Republican period, there were cavalry units recruited from vassal Italian city-states. yes, those were Samnites. at that time they weren't Roman (yet) either... |
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Post by naaya on Jul 22, 2007 21:46:11 GMT 3
pizda tas zuragnuud baina - translation wow nice pics
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Post by naaya on Jul 22, 2007 21:55:14 GMT 3
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Post by cataphract on Jul 25, 2007 18:02:59 GMT 3
I'm curious to see how K.S. Ahmetjanov depicts the Xiongnu , Huns and other steppe people in his book.Living in a small country as Belgium I'm not able to buy the book because it's not available over here.Because the pictures of the Saka warriors were great I hope the other pictures of the book will come on the forum too.It's the only way for me to obtain the great pictures.
Greetings
Cataphract
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Post by Temüjin on Jul 25, 2007 19:28:36 GMT 3
I'm curious to see how K.S. Ahmetjanov depicts the Xiongnu , Huns and other steppe people in his book.Living in a small country as Belgium I'm not able to buy the book because it's not available over here.Because the pictures of the Saka warriors were great I hope the other pictures of the book will come on the forum too.It's the only way for me to obtain the great pictures. Greetings Cataphract same here  |
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