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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Jul 26, 2007 7:51:46 GMT 3
Dear BAWIR$AQ, Thanks for scanning the pictures to high resolution.They're great. I wonder if the book gives any information about the construction of the armour which the 2 Saka cavalryman are wearing.Perhaps the author tells something more about the Saka wearing the bronze cuirass and very uncommom iron banded skirt. 1,5 - Saka 2 - Qimaq 3 - Russian "quyaq" 4 - Central Asian 6, 7 - nomadic (Qirghiz and Mongol)  1,2 - Scythian 3 - Greek 4 - Chukot 5,11 - Kok Turk 6- Chinese 7,10 - Scythian 8,9 - Saka 12,13 - Qipchaq  |
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Post by cataphract on Jul 27, 2007 18:50:52 GMT 3
Thanks for the great scans BAWIR$AQ. They tell a lot about the armour used.
Greetings.
Cataphract
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 27, 2007 19:07:33 GMT 3
Nice photos Naaya  |
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Post by Temüjin on Jul 27, 2007 19:41:01 GMT 3
i don't see any pics...  |
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Post by cataphract on Jul 28, 2007 22:27:10 GMT 3
Dear BAWIR$AQ, Thanks for scanning the pictures to high resolution.They're great. I wonder if the book gives any information about the construction of the armour which the 2 Saka cavalryman are wearing.Perhaps the author tells something more about the Saka wearing the bronze cuirass and very uncommom iron banded skirt. 1,5 - Saka 2 - Qimaq 3 - Russian "quyaq" 4 - Central Asian 6, 7 - nomadic (Qirghiz and Mongol) 1,2 - Scythian 3 - Greek 4 - Chukot 5,11 - Kok Turk 6- Chinese 7,10 - Scythian 8,9 - Saka 12,13 - Qipchaq The Yuezhi warrior (plate 1, number 4) shows clearly how they under pressure of the clash with the Xiongnu (who drove them out of their homelands) and under influence of contacts with the Sakas (who they met in their new lands) created the forerunner of a complete cataphract armour. Early cataphract armour which the Kushan, who replaced the Sakas, later fully developed. The warrior is depicted holding the spear under-arm.I doubt if this grip was already in use at that time.A two-handed grip of the spear would have been more realistic.I think we can say that this is an artist's interpretation. Greetings Cataphract |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Jul 30, 2007 23:35:00 GMT 3
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Post by Temüjin on Jul 31, 2007 20:12:00 GMT 3
no i mean the pics posted by naaya.
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 7, 2007 21:09:06 GMT 3
there is a new reply at AE concernign the IYI symbol:
"Actually, archeologists say the symbol IYI was present among scythians and sarmatians in Eurasia.
It's a holy symbol.It's believed to symbolise some kind of uniting power,balanser.It is on rossete from Pliska where it's in the center ,surrounded by symbols of 5 planets,the sun and the moon so it really could be the symbol of Tura(Tangra or whatever name you choose).It could be seen on later early-christian writings,stones and crosses from Bulgaria."
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 7, 2007 21:19:25 GMT 3
Thank you for the info, my dear Shad |
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 14, 2007 1:08:02 GMT 3
Hun in Roman service:  Parthian cataphracts vs Romans:  Yuan Horseman:  Yuan warrior:  |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 14, 2007 20:14:31 GMT 3
Nice drawings |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Aug 14, 2007 21:55:34 GMT 3
no i mean the pics posted by naaya. He posted links to 2 photos of modern Mongolians He didn't put the correct URL |
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 16, 2007 23:15:00 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 17, 2007 19:06:05 GMT 3
Yes, especially the final picture is (the first one is clearly in steppe style). Nice drawings |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Sept 4, 2007 18:34:47 GMT 3
Golden Horde / Altin Orda   Mamay  |
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