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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 9, 2010 20:22:39 GMT 3
Tümän, as ALTAR wrote, was used for "10,000" in Old Turkic. It was also the highest number unit and thus it symbolised being grand. Today, in Turkish, Tümen is used only in the military; it's not used in daily life (now we use Onbin, "Ten Thousand", for that).
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Post by MagyarTanhu on Mar 9, 2010 21:16:58 GMT 3
Tümän, as ALTAR wrote, was used for "10,000" in Old Turkic. It was also the highest number unit and thus it symbolised being grand. Today, in Turkish, Tümen is used only in the military; it's not used in daily life (now we use Onbin, "Ten Thousand", for that). Ihsan, thank you for the answer, the reason I was asking for was some try of identification of Hungarian "tömény" word which currently means just written before - concentrated, strong.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 10, 2010 0:02:39 GMT 3
Oh nice It must have been a loanwords that passed from the Khazars or some other Turkic peoples like the Onoghurs, Pecheneks and Cumans.
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Post by Temüjin on Jun 22, 2015 13:30:52 GMT 3
this is the flag of the Kazakhs according to the Turish government: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kazakh_Khanate.svganyways, i don't want to discuss if it's accurate or not, but what is the name of the symbol/pattern on it? it is also used, though in a slightly different style, for the Sarig Yogir (Yellow Uyghurs/Yugurs) city states in the Europa Universalis games: europauniversalis.wikia.com/wiki/Sarig_Yogir and i just saw this pattern as well on Hungarian sabre hilts from the late 15th/early 16th century. not sure if it's been brought up before in this thread because the old pictures by imageshack are no longer working. anyone with more info on this?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 22, 2015 21:28:30 GMT 3
That symbol is also frequently used in Korean art AFAIK.
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Post by hjernespiser on Jul 1, 2015 12:02:16 GMT 3
Isn't that an auspicious knot, a Buddhist symbol? It shows up in Tuvan folk art too.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 2, 2015 11:57:27 GMT 3
Indeed it is:
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Post by Temüjin on Jul 3, 2015 14:57:52 GMT 3
Isn't that an auspicious knot, a Buddhist symbol? It shows up in Tuvan folk art too. so it is a Buddhist symbol? does this also prominently appear in other Buddhist countries? maybe it is a concidence it appeared on the Hungarian sabre hilt then... according to wiki it seems to appear only in art of countries that adher to Tibetan Buddhism, so it might not originally have been a Buddhist symbol...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 4, 2015 13:17:24 GMT 3
Yes I saw it a lot in Korea too.
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Post by hjernespiser on Jul 14, 2015 19:46:49 GMT 3
"Hungarian sabre hilts from the late 15th/early 16th century"
I'd need to see pictures of that. Knotwork as decoration is not unique to Tibetan Buddhists.
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Post by Temüjin on Jul 14, 2015 22:02:35 GMT 3
"Hungarian sabre hilts from the late 15th/early 16th century" I'd need to see pictures of that. Knotwork as decoration is not unique to Tibetan Buddhists. i actually tried to find one online but i haven't been able to come up with a pic, even though it's the well known sabre on exhibit in the National Museum of Budapest together with other hussar equippment from the same period. i've seen the sabre in several books, notably the Osprey MaA "Hungary and the fall of eastern Europe 1000 - 1568" by David Nicolle (small b/w pic on page 22) and the bilingual "the Army of King Matthias 1458 - 1526 (Mátyás Király Hadserege 1458 - 1526) by Győző Somogyi (large drawing on page 67). edit: this is a picture of the tip of the scabbard: mek.oszk.hu/01900/01919/html/index1175.html also i meant to say scabbard not hilt
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Post by hjernespiser on Jul 15, 2015 1:10:36 GMT 3
I got the Osprey book at home. I'll look it up.
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