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Post by nisse on May 31, 2007 18:31:01 GMT 3
aha, ok, but who was first the gök turks or the persians
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 4, 2007 0:22:35 GMT 3
Probably the Persians.
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Post by mesinik on Oct 23, 2007 20:56:42 GMT 3
The nazis, for some reason, turned this old symbol around. So it's not the same. Because of Adolf Hitler this symbol is called(by Europes) SYMBOL of ANTI CRIST :
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Post by sarmat on Oct 23, 2007 21:09:01 GMT 3
Swastika has nothing to do with Antichrist it was even used as an ornament on the Roman pope's hat.
This symbol is presented in many cultures. It's original meaning is the Sun, positive energy of the Sun and light. It's also a buddhist sympbol. And there is a character in Chinese language which actually a swastika and it's written as fo i.e. Buddha, Buddhism, it also means luck and prosperity (wan)
Swastika got all this negative essence only after it had been used by Nazist.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 23, 2007 21:39:27 GMT 3
You can find the swastika in 4,000 years old Hatti findings ;D
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Post by Oorvan on Aug 23, 2008 0:45:05 GMT 3
Hello I have some photo of rock drawings, too! This is in village Chandman in Khovd province. One day some boys tell me; We will show you some old paintings. I did not know what to expect. It was 40 minutes walking, and then we had to climb on a small mountain. Then I was amazed by these drawings of animals!! Very beautiful. They were really proud to show me this place, as you can see. Good friends, I will meet them again soon!!! They speak little english. They were the only ones, no one could speak english in Mongolia haha!! Around this mountain they try to explain some things... There was one old grave for shaman (I think), it was on the ground with big cirkel of small stones. They said it brings no luck to make photo, so I did not.......... Another thing: One moment we sat down, and I took some stones to throw away. Then they say: NO!! Mountain does not like that, you should give something in return if you take some of his stones... I did not understand??? Why is that?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 23, 2008 2:09:34 GMT 3
It's simply because of animistic believes According to them, you have damaged/disrespected the spirit of the mountain. The traditional religion of Turks and Mongols had animistic believes as well as the cult of Tengri. When Chinggis Qan became the sole ruler in 1206, while making his Jasaq, he banned washing clothes in rivers, as well as urinating on fire - these were punished by death. In the countryside in Turkey, people still believe that urinating on fire is a great sin, even though they are Muslim.
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 23, 2008 3:10:57 GMT 3
as well as urinating on fire - these were punished by death. In the countryside in Turkey, people still believe that urinating on fire is a great sin, even though they are Muslim. i knew this law from Jasaq but i never really thought about this: how do you extinguish a fire? is water allowed? or do you "kill" the fire using a blanket?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 23, 2008 10:51:03 GMT 3
I don't know, because the Jasaq doesn't give any method to extinguish the fire, except saying that urinating on it is banned.
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Post by Oorvan on Aug 23, 2008 14:09:59 GMT 3
But this is not common anymore on Steppe country? For example I saw all women washing the clothes in nearby river.
When we had fires at night we just put them out with water, no problem for them as I witnessed.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 23, 2008 18:30:20 GMT 3
Well that is a quiet old custom so it's normal it doesn't exist any more.
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Post by tengrikut on Aug 24, 2008 21:14:28 GMT 3
as well as urinating on fire - these were punished by death. In the countryside in Turkey, people still believe that urinating on fire is a great sin, even though they are Muslim. i knew this law from Jasaq but i never really thought about this: how do you extinguish a fire? is water allowed? or do you "kill" the fire using a blanket? water is not allowed as well. you should put something on fire to stop it
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Post by laudatortemporisac on Feb 20, 2009 0:03:07 GMT 3
I'm just wondering on symbolism of the Coat of Arms of Altay Republic: May be not relates strongly with the steppan culture, but my be somebody knows, is it a Russian symbol(s) or it is autochtonous Altaic symbol(s).
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Post by hjernespiser on Feb 20, 2009 2:40:36 GMT 3
It looks Scythian.
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Post by laudatortemporisac on Feb 21, 2009 0:11:44 GMT 3
Does it? You should pan out it.
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