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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 15, 2007 21:25:54 GMT 3
Because as I explained above, they have Turkic roots and Turkic subjectives Of course we can not determine the clear origins of all common words between Turkic and Mongolian, but some can be determined, including the ones I explained above.
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Post by pantigin on Feb 1, 2008 13:13:46 GMT 3
Naimans, Kereyit and Merkit are still having their historical stamps on the turkic peoples like Kazakhs,Kyrgyz,Uighur and Uzbek. the Naimans and the Kereyits are still the tribe name among today's Kypchak turks the kyrgyz and kazakh. the merkit is a tribe name for uzbeks and a city name as Merkit in Kashgaria for Uighurs.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jul 4, 2008 5:50:06 GMT 3
Where-ever the hell we were from we became Mongols. Funny though, how somehow we always fought against them centuries down the track.
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Post by sharshuvuu on Jul 11, 2008 16:53:39 GMT 3
Seems to me that if there was a remote common ancestor of Turkic & Mongolian the roots of some of these words could be native to both. Color words are interesting: Saran mentioned _altan_; _kara_ is also common to both, but some others, e.g. kyzyl vs ula[gh]an, are different.
Sharshuvuu
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Post by Subu'atai on Nov 25, 2008 10:56:08 GMT 3
Temujin's mother was from the Onggirat tribe. Her original husband was the Merkit Chiledu, but Yesugei stole her from him. Borte from Onggirat tribe not Temujin's mother =/
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 25, 2008 13:08:30 GMT 3
Both were Olqunu'ut Qonggirrats.
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Post by naiman on Mar 22, 2009 8:02:47 GMT 3
When are these people first mentioned in writte sources? Are they connected to any other Turkic or Mongolic people, according to Chinese and Islamic sources talking about them? These 3 tribes were first mentioned in the Secret History of the Mongols.
Merkit or the Merged (Mongolian word meaning "The Wises") were of Mongolian origin, was a rival tribe of Temujin, later ruled by Temujin himself cos of their bloody revenge.
Kereit or the Khereids were Christians and were of Mongolian origin, was an ally of Khamag Mongol tribe (Temujin's tribe) and later ruled by Temujin.
The Naimans are of Turkic tribe and I think they're what now Kazakhs. They were Muslims and lated ruled by Temujin. Remember, that handsome Tayan Khan of Naiman?
;D This is what I know and read about these three tribes. They played some important roles in Central Asian history. Hello all Friends My name is Zaker Naiman from Afghanistan From the Hazara Nation, Naiman tribe Its so nice starting discussion about the ethnic history (overall) Let me to say briefly about the Hazara Nation and Naiman tribe in Afghanistan Hazara Nation in Afghanistan is one of the four important nations in this country (Hazara, Uzbek, tajik and pashtun) During the history of Afghanistan’s nation-building, The Hazara population have been one of the victims of Pasthuns hegemony and internal imperialism. Pashtuns Believe that Afghanistan belongs to them and other nations have came form Another place here (Afghanistan) so as their believe the other nations are Refugees During that time The Hazara has been victimized exclusively because of the Turk- Mongoloid appearance and customs. And about 62 percent of its population was genocides by Abdurrahman.(government) But actually Hazaras are one of the Nations of Turk ethnic which is resident so far before appearance of Islam to Turanian land. Status of Buddha in Bamyan is the best reason for rejection of their Claim ……… About the Naiman and Qaralug: There are more tribe in Hazara Nation: Dai-zangi, Dai-mirdad, Dai-chupan, Dai –kalan Dai-fulad, and more …. Naiman and Qarlug are known as Hazara nation as the same as the other tribes among it. The Hazaras people believe in that Hazara is one of the great nations of Turk ethnic like Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Uzbek Tatar, Azeri and Turk people in turkey and more..... They believe in that we (Naiman and Qarlug) belong to Turk and Mongol ethnic also but from separate tribe. But unfortunately I don’t have any history reference to gain more full information about the Naiman. I would like to ask you all friends: Have you heard or read an article about the Naiman in Afghanistan (history and ....)? Where is the original land of Naiman? How they came in Afghanistan? And more question which I am willing to know but couldn't find in INTERNET or any reference in Afghanistan. I would be appreciate if any of you could help me and give me the address of sites and reference for studying in these issues. Thanks Waiting for your nice replying
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Post by Subu'atai on Mar 22, 2009 17:24:05 GMT 3
I'll try my best to reply;
Q: Have you heard or read an article about the Naiman in Afghanistan (history and ....)? A: In Afghanistan itself? Nope. However Naimans did migrate to near Northern-Afghanistan during the Chingghis/Kara-Khitan war before subjication.
Q: Where is the original land of Naiman? A: Now this is a very simple yet impossible question. Most Naimans consider themselves native Mongols, but who knows eh?
Q: How they came in Afghanistan? Many Naimans by this time were already part of the Mongol Uls, however some remnants under Kushluk refused to be subjicated by Temudjin. They managed to usurp the Kara-Khitai Khanate but was eventually subjicated by Chingghis Khaan. After this, the Mongol Uls bordered the Khwarezmian Dynasty in Persia.
After the Mongol conquests and Batu Khan's death, the Khanate split into 4 groups, Hazaras are proposed to be the descendants of both the Chagatai and Ilkhanates.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 22, 2009 22:15:31 GMT 3
The original homeland of Naimans was Western Mongolia and the Altai Mountains.
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Post by Subu'atai on Mar 23, 2009 8:07:17 GMT 3
Just curious about something too Khagan, it is also said that Oirat Mongols have many descendants of Merkits. It makes sense in a social view; Merkits are hotblooded nutcases, Oirats are hotblooded nutcases too. But historically... hmmm...
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Post by naiman on Mar 23, 2009 10:11:51 GMT 3
When are these people first mentioned in writte sources? Are they connected to any other Turkic or Mongolic people, according to Chinese and Islamic sources talking about them? Hello all Friends My name is Zaker Naiman from Afghanistan From the Hazara Nation, Naiman tribe Its so nice starting discussion about the ethnic history (overall) Let me to say briefly about the Hazara Nation and Naiman tribe in Afghanistan Hazara Nation in Afghanistan is one of the four important nations in this country (Hazara, Uzbek, tajik and pashtun) During the history of Afghanistan’s nation-building, The Hazara population have been one of the victims of Pasthuns hegemony and internal imperialism. Pashtuns Believe that Afghanistan belongs to them and other nations have came form Another place here (Afghanistan) so as their believe the other nations are Refugees During that time The Hazara has been victimized exclusively because of the Turk- Mongoloid appearance and customs. And about 62 percent of its population was genocides by Abdurrahman.(government) But actually Hazaras are one of the Nations of Turk ethnic which is resident so far before appearance of Islam to Turanian land. Status of Buddha in Bamyan is the best reason for rejection of their Claim ……… About the Naiman and Qaralug: There are more tribe in Hazara Nation: Dai-zangi, Dai-mirdad, Dai-chupan, Dai –kalan Dai-fulad, and more …. Naiman and Qarlug are known as Hazara nation as the same as the other tribes among it. The Hazaras people believe in that Hazara is one of the great nations of Turk ethnic like Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Uzbek Tatar, Azeri and Turk people in turkey and more..... They believe in that we (Naiman and Qarlug) belong to Turk and Mongol ethnic also but from separate tribe. But unfortunately I don’t have any history reference to gain more full information about the Naiman. I would like to ask you all friends: Have you heard or read an article about the Naiman in Afghanistan (history and ....)? Where is the original land of Naiman? How they came in Afghanistan? And more question which I am willing to know but couldn't find in INTERNET or any reference in Afghanistan. I would be appreciate if any of you could help me and give me the address of sites and reference for studying in these issues. Thanks Waiting for your nice replying
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Post by naiman on Mar 23, 2009 10:19:32 GMT 3
I'll try my best to reply; Q: Have you heard or read an article about the Naiman in Afghanistan (history and ....)? A: In Afghanistan itself? Nope. However Naimans did migrate to near Northern-Afghanistan during the Chingghis/Kara-Khitan war before subjication. Q: Where is the original land of Naiman? A: Now this is a very simple yet impossible question. Most Naimans consider themselves native Mongols, but who knows eh? Q: How they came in Afghanistan? Many Naimans by this time were already part of the Mongol Uls, however some remnants under Kushluk refused to be subjicated by Temudjin. They managed to usurp the Kara-Khitai Khanate but was eventually subjicated by Chingghis Khaan. After this, the Mongol Uls bordered the Khwarezmian Dynasty in Persia. After the Mongol conquests and Batu Khan's death, the Khanate split into 4 groups, Hazaras are proposed to be the descendants of both the Chagatai and Ilkhanates. Hello Subu'atai and other great freinds . thanks for your good and usful information . waiting for more information from others freind . thanks again and be fresh and green always
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 24, 2009 1:45:45 GMT 3
Just curious about something too Khagan, it is also said that Oirat Mongols have many descendants of Merkits. It makes sense in a social view; Merkits are hotblooded nutcases, Oirats are hotblooded nutcases too. But historically... hmmm... Honestly I don't know, but they lived close to each other, right?
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Post by Subu'atai on Mar 24, 2009 14:05:14 GMT 3
LOL I'm asking you! I really have NOOOOOO idea ;D
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 24, 2009 19:49:06 GMT 3
Ah well, we know that the Merkit lived in the mountainous regions of Northern Mongolia
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