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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 31, 2007 17:54:29 GMT 3
I'm not sure, you have to look for it. But it has been translated to Turkish already, so it's highly probable that an English translation might have been made
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Post by nisse on May 31, 2007 18:31:49 GMT 3
ok, I will have a look
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Post by kruszmagyar on Oct 19, 2007 20:37:56 GMT 3
In reality all the sky Gods are the same, so whether you believe in Tengri or Allah or Odin or Wakan Tanka (native american god) they are all the same. At least that's my belief
The great poet William Blake said- "If the doors of perception were cleansed, all would appear to man as it is- infinite."
Tengri is eternal and infinite
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Post by pantigin on Feb 17, 2008 17:10:42 GMT 3
If you check the Turkish translation of the Qur'ân made in the 11th century during the Qarakhanid period, you would see that the name Allâh is translated into Turkish as Täñri Most of the uighur muslims still use Tengri referring to Allah. Some of them use the persian name Huda for Allah. and some people also started to use Allah, especially those Hajis who visited Maccah.
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pantigin
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Post by pantigin on Feb 17, 2008 17:21:03 GMT 3
oh yeah Important for mongolians and other Ca ers Horse is forbidden 2 It's very strange that most of the Kazakh and uighur muslims eat horse meat.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 18, 2008 23:40:02 GMT 3
Today I saw the Qarakhanid translation of the Qur'an. I will also buy within a week or so. It is a must-see indeed.
If you also check the earliest versions of Dede Qorqut legends recorded down in the 15th century, you can see that the Western Oghuz Turks referred to the God in several names: Allah (Allāh), Čalap (Chalap) and most of the time, Taŋrï (Tanrı).
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Post by Atabeg on Feb 19, 2008 20:32:50 GMT 3
whats the best place in Istanbull to buy those kind of books?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 20, 2008 4:09:19 GMT 3
I am not sure, but you can find them very easily in the bookstore of the Türk Dil Kurumu (Turkish Language Association) in Ankara.
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Post by Modu Tanhu on Sept 19, 2011 0:38:36 GMT 3
Well the last post is from 2008 but I'll still reply. We should revive this forum.
Kok Tengri, Allah, Jehova, God are the same. Only the teachings, books or culture are different.
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Post by irelander on Nov 25, 2011 8:36:45 GMT 3
I belieeve in all paths to god. Both primitive gods like Tengri and the Great Spririt and new ones like God, Allah, Bramin, and the Guru. Some religions are created for more power... Sientology, Roman REligion, Egyption religion. These are very bad.
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Post by irelander on Nov 25, 2011 8:37:43 GMT 3
Who is Jehova?
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Post by massaget on Nov 25, 2011 12:15:08 GMT 3
Jehova is a form of Jahve, its god's name in the bible.
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Post by Ardavarz on Nov 27, 2011 2:37:38 GMT 3
When different cultures are interposed people tend to mess up names even though they could designate disparate concepts. For common folk it doesn't matter much, while the wise ones (like Sufis) choose the way of mysticism in order to avoid persecution in an extremely intolerant environment and then it's all right since when interpreted allegorically everything could be identified with everything else. Thus the El-Hum Brotherhood in Volga Bulgaria has preserved the old tenets under disguise. So historically it is more or less correct. However, if compare the mythologies, it can be seen that in the Tengriist myth the creator of corporeality (regarded by Abrahamites as "God") is actually Shurale - the demon who wants to possess human souls, but cannot really have them unless humans submit to him. The same story, only a bit more elaborated, is retold by Mani which suggests the intriguing question whether he has drawn his inspiration from Tengriism. And then the Bogomils of the Balkans carried on the same tradition just as their brothers - the El-Hum Sufis did on Volga. I wrote about this also in another posts: steppes.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=board23&thread=28&page=18#26663steppes.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=board23&thread=28&post=26682
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Post by abdulhay on Dec 31, 2011 1:08:51 GMT 3
whats Khokh? is it mongolian for divine ?
Anyway, interesting u mention chalap as god, is it only western oghuz turkic , how do u prounce it ?
doesnt chalap have another meaning as well, I think I recoginze the word from somewere
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Post by massaget on Dec 31, 2011 15:27:49 GMT 3
Kok, Kokh, Kek in hungarian means blue, and it refers to the endless blue sky.
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