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Post by erdene on Dec 17, 2006 5:08:29 GMT 3
Who would you choose.........if had to choose!!!!
Sorry...delete it if you find this Q inappropriate.
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Post by tengrikut on Dec 17, 2006 14:14:18 GMT 3
in my opinion, they are not different. just different names for samething. so i prefer Kok Tengri
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Dec 17, 2006 15:27:52 GMT 3
There could be only one god above. He has 99 names and 99 looks but he is one.
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Post by Atabeg on Dec 17, 2006 16:14:38 GMT 3
I don't understand what there is to chose?
btw this topic belongs in Religious History and Mythology
so topic moved 2 there
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Post by Jagatai Khan on Dec 17, 2006 20:12:59 GMT 3
What for do we have to choose?To believe?
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Post by balamir on Dec 17, 2006 22:07:10 GMT 3
Always Allah.
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Post by Jagatai Khan on Dec 17, 2006 23:03:22 GMT 3
Me too.
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Post by kokturk on Dec 17, 2006 23:45:53 GMT 3
According to ancient Turkic beliefs, all the deities are the same. Everybody believes to the same God, even they do not know this.
So, if you believe in Allâh, you de facto believe Tengri, according to that belief.
According to Islâm, it is believed that at least one Prophet is sent to each nation. So, there should be a Turkic Prophet too. And of course that Prophet was speaking an ancient Turkic language and in that language God must be Tengri or something similar to that. But the idea that he was calling God "Allâh" is nonsense.
If a Prophet of Allâh is calling Allâh "Tengri", then it should be free to call Allâh "Tengri".
As a result, Allâh and Tengri are the same. It is more important to be a good man than the God you believe, according to me. Take Mennonites for example. They are devout Christians but they are very peaceful community. They do not give harm to anybody. And take the terrorist Muslims, for example PKK or Al-Qaaedah. They are Muslim but they are also zealot and kill innocent people.
I am a Muslim but I have more respect and fondness to Mennonites than Al-Qaaedah.
About the answer of the question, I use the word Tangrı (Anatolian Turkish for Tengri) instead of Allâh, except our some idioms and sayings, because it is in my mother tongue, but I have respect to the usage of Allâh.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 18, 2006 0:09:03 GMT 3
If you check the Turkish translation of the Qur'ân made in the 11th century during the Qarakhanid period, you would see that the name Allâh is translated into Turkish as Täñri
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Post by Atabeg on Dec 18, 2006 12:34:02 GMT 3
Kok turk shad your right.
But pkk isn't the same as al-Qaaeda. Pkk is more a social or ethnic form of terrorists and Al-Qaaueda is pure religious(well nothing is pure anything but you get the point)
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Dec 18, 2006 15:45:05 GMT 3
PKK are kurdish commies, right?
And about Al-Qaeda... I think that it is false-flag operation created by CIA and Mossad.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 18, 2006 21:11:42 GMT 3
PKK are kurdish commies, right? Yes, they are Kurdish micro-nationaists (ethnicists) pretending to be socialists.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Dec 18, 2006 21:18:42 GMT 3
PKK are kurdish commies, right? Yes, they are Kurdish micro-nationaists (ethnicists) pretending to be socialists. Just like some IRA cells claimed to be socialists once, just for getting more support. Also ETA claims to be leftist.
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Post by kokturk on Dec 20, 2006 16:54:49 GMT 3
Kok turk shad your right. But pkk isn't the same as al-Qaaeda. Pkk is more a social or ethnic form of terrorists and Al-Qaaueda is pure religious(well nothing is pure anything but you get the point) The Imams in the Southeastern region of Türkiye were very radical Pkk symphatizers.
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Post by erdene on Dec 20, 2006 22:15:46 GMT 3
Ok, thanks for the responses.
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