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Post by seljuk on Mar 16, 2007 13:04:49 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 16, 2007 21:20:08 GMT 3
Thank you for sharing this nice article  |
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Post by thracianglad on May 7, 2009 21:32:47 GMT 3
There is about 19 theories about the origin of Gagauzes. The the better two are this - they are Turkic talking Bulgarians or Turkic christians, but not Seljuk Turkish. Maybe they are descedants of Cumans, Pechenegs, Magyars and another nomad tribes. Well I support that they are Bulgarians, not because I am Bulgarian, but because of the next: Why they need to became Christians when if you wanted to live better in the Ottoman empire you must be Muslim and why they need it when the Christians were beated because of their religion. Why they must run away from Ottoman empire when they are under the control of Turkish ruler, not under the foreign ruler. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 8, 2009 1:26:19 GMT 3
LOLOLOLOLOL, I love the way you funny small Balkan nations view history in your childish and hilarious ways ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D "The bad Turks came and beat us all the time, they are bad bad bad, oh where is my mama Europa?" ;D ;D I love to visit your countries, talk to your people and list your inaccurate thoughts to your faces, I mean I did it several times and I'll keep doing it because it's so fun (don't worry, I always do the same in Turkey all the time, our people is not different from yours, it's just we're a bit more populated) Ok that was the joke part. You think they are Bulgarians, because you are Bulgarian. Oh c'mon, Gagauz being Bulgarians? That is nonesense, and it's the same time I hear that. You can even claim them to be Moldavians, but Bulgarian? Pffft  Uhm excuse me, but why are you Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbians, Armenians, Montenegrins, Romanians, Croatians and Hungarians still Christians? If we were that bad, today you would have been Hanafi Sunni Muslims or at best Bektashi Muslims speaking the Rumelian dialect of Turkish. There were and are always been Christian Turks, even if small in size, but they have been existence for a veeeeeery long time. Sorry, I didn't really understand this  |
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Post by ALTAR on May 8, 2009 12:07:16 GMT 3
LOLOLOLOLOL, I love the way you funny small Balkan nations view history in your childish and hilarious ways ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D "The bad Turks came and beat us all the time, they are bad bad bad, oh where is my mama Europa?" ;D ;D I love to visit your countries, talk to your people and list your inaccurate thoughts to your faces, I mean I did it several times and I'll keep doing it because it's so fun (don't worry, I always do the same in Turkey all the time, our people is not different from yours, it's just we're a bit more populated) Ok that was the joke part. You think they are Bulgarians, because you are Bulgarian. Oh c'mon, Gagauz being Bulgarians? That is nonesense, and it's the same time I hear that. You can even claim them to be Moldavians, but Bulgarian? Pffft Uhm excuse me, but why are you Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbians, Armenians, Montenegrins, Romanians, Croatians and Hungarians still Christians? If we were that bad, today you would have been Hanafi Sunni Muslims or at best Bektashi Muslims speaking the Rumelian dialect of Turkish. There were and are always been Christian Turks, even if small in size, but they have been existence for a veeeeeery long time. Sorry, I didn't really understand this I said Hysteria about Turks is common sense of nearly All Balkan Nations ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by thracianglad on May 8, 2009 15:14:21 GMT 3
LOLOLOLOLOL, I love the way you funny small Balkan nations view history in your childish and hilarious ways ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D "The bad Turks came and beat us all the time, they are bad bad bad, oh where is my mama Europa?" ;D ;D I love to visit your countries, talk to your people and list your inaccurate thoughts to your faces, I mean I did it several times and I'll keep doing it because it's so fun (don't worry, I always do the same in Turkey all the time, our people is not different from yours, it's just we're a bit more populated) Ok that was the joke part. You think they are Bulgarians, because you are Bulgarian. Oh c'mon, Gagauz being Bulgarians? That is nonesense, and it's the same time I hear that. You can even claim them to be Moldavians, but Bulgarian? Pffft Uhm excuse me, but why are you Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbians, Armenians, Montenegrins, Romanians, Croatians and Hungarians still Christians? If we were that bad, today you would have been Hanafi Sunni Muslims or at best Bektashi Muslims speaking the Rumelian dialect of Turkish. There were and are always been Christian Turks, even if small in size, but they have been existence for a veeeeeery long time. Sorry, I didn't really understand this I don't think it can be joke or funny  You needn't to know what was feeling the Christian citizens of Ottoman empire. You destroyed their memory that is sacred to us with this bulls*its - So You must respect me as I respect you and as my ancestors respect your ancestors - there aren't one Ottoman Turkic warrior, who was no buried by the BULGARIAN CHRISTIAN population during Russo-Turkish war. This words was really obscene! This is not bad, ha ....  Or making beasts by the Christian childrens later called eniceri?!  You showed me enough! If you was more interested that there are another teories about the Gagauzes, but you don't want to listen to them. No, you said that they are Turkish and Seljuks, because you are Turkish! I am listen to the logically way! So I give you proofs, think what you want, but if you need to know the museum in Gagauzia is full of materials about the Bulgarian origin of the Gagauzes. I don't need an answer by peoples who don't respect me! If you want to see how the "bad" Turks made Chirstians muslims it is easy. Just open a book who is not full of nationalistic words and you are going to see how many Bulgarians became Muslims and how many died, because they didn't want to change their religion! Anyway no need an answer.... No respect, no good talking! I think here are guys that I can talk with them, but I found guys who wants to keep their believings. |
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Post by thracianglad on May 8, 2009 15:35:12 GMT 3
LOLOLOLOLOL, I love the way you funny small Balkan nations view history in your childish and hilarious ways ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D "The bad Turks came and beat us all the time, they are bad bad bad, oh where is my mama Europa?" ;D ;D I love to visit your countries, talk to your people and list your inaccurate thoughts to your faces, I mean I did it several times and I'll keep doing it because it's so fun (don't worry, I always do the same in Turkey all the time, our people is not different from yours, it's just we're a bit more populated) Ok that was the joke part. You think they are Bulgarians, because you are Bulgarian. Oh c'mon, Gagauz being Bulgarians? That is nonesense, and it's the same time I hear that. You can even claim them to be Moldavians, but Bulgarian? Pffft Uhm excuse me, but why are you Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbians, Armenians, Montenegrins, Romanians, Croatians and Hungarians still Christians? If we were that bad, today you would have been Hanafi Sunni Muslims or at best Bektashi Muslims speaking the Rumelian dialect of Turkish. There were and are always been Christian Turks, even if small in size, but they have been existence for a veeeeeery long time. Sorry, I didn't really understand this I said Hysteria about Turks is common sense of nearly All Balkan Nations ;D ;D ;D Bullnutss - Hysteria about Turks! ;D I have Turkish friends as in Turkey as in Bulgaria, I don't think they are smth more of me! So your thinking is as all Balkan nations - "Hysteria about Turks". One Romanian told me that the Turkish are even scared by Romanians nowadays! Is that true  Ok then be afraid about Romanians because they are so strong, I gotta be afraid about Turks, I am scared  |
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Post by sarmat on May 8, 2009 20:04:02 GMT 3
There is about 19 theories about the origin of Gagauzes. The the better two are this - they are Turkic talking Bulgarians or Turkic christians, but not Seljuk Turkish. Maybe they are descedants of Cumans, Pechenegs, Magyars and another nomad tribes. Well I support that they are Bulgarians, not because I am Bulgarian, but because of the next: Why they need to became Christians when if you wanted to live better in the Ottoman empire you must be Muslim and why they need it when the Christians were beated because of their religion. Why they must run away from Ottoman empire when they are under the control of Turkish ruler, not under the foreign ruler. Well. I believe this kind of view is a little bit contrary to some accepted historical facts. Because, it's believed that the first Gagauz state formation Uzieilet appeared in Dobruja in the 13th century AD i.e. before Ottoman conquest of Bulgaria. Also Gagauzes have a very stong feeling of Turkic identity and affinity with Turks despite the fact that they are Orthodox Christians. Regardless of many theories about their origins, based on the fact that their language belong to Oguz sub group of Turkic languages, they are either descentants of Torks/Uzes or Seljuk Turks that resettled to Balkans from Anatolia in the 12th., 13th centuries AD. |
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Post by ALTAR on May 8, 2009 21:27:54 GMT 3
Bullnutss - Hysteria about Turks! ;D I have Turkish friends as in Turkey as in Bulgaria, I don't think they are smth more of me! So your thinking is as all Balkan nations - "Hysteria about Turks". One Romanian told me that the Turkish are even scared by Romanians nowadays! Is that true Ok then be afraid about Romanians because they are so strong, I gotta be afraid about Turks, I am scared Thats why nobody take serious them ;D Its always easy to fixing situations and peoples minds in the Balkans  If you aren't scared, why your lovely "Nationalist" organizations and their leaders start singing song like one chorus: "Turks Capture Bulgaria" "Turks Invaded Bulgaria Again" ;D in the newspapers, Tv Channels nearly everyday ;D Although there is nothing like this. I think this hysteria is related with history of Balkans. So its necessary for Balkan Nations who have it. They have have to try solving their problem on their own. We aren't psychologists. ;D |
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Post by thracianglad on May 8, 2009 22:48:15 GMT 3
Bullnutss - Hysteria about Turks! ;D I have Turkish friends as in Turkey as in Bulgaria, I don't think they are smth more of me! So your thinking is as all Balkan nations - "Hysteria about Turks". One Romanian told me that the Turkish are even scared by Romanians nowadays! Is that true Ok then be afraid about Romanians because they are so strong, I gotta be afraid about Turks, I am scared Thats why nobody take serious them ;D Its always easy to fixing situations and peoples minds in the Balkans If you aren't scared, why your lovely "Nationalist" organizations and their leaders start singing song like one chorus: "Turks Capture Bulgaria" "Turks Invaded Bulgaria Again" ;D in the newspapers, Tv Channels nearly everyday ;D Although there is nothing like this. I think this hysteria is related with history of Balkans. So its necessary for Balkan Nations who have it. They have have to try solving their problem on their own. We aren't psychologists. ;D Hahaaa you are like the Romanians! Don't you understand - the nationalistic organisation in Bulgaria actually are fascist so as you know they hate the Turkish and the Gypsies(who identified themselves as Turkish). They want to make the people hate the Turkish minority. The songs are folk songs or songs from the period of reborning of Bulgarian culture. If you wanted to say that Turkey was stronger than Bulgarian during this period then you are in the wrong way. During this period Bulgaria was one of the strongest country in Europe, with one of the strongest army. For the simple man in this period in Bulgaria the war was a celebration. They didn't care would they die or not. We need to protect our tradition as you must protect your. I know the Ottoman empire was strong, but you must forget it! Look at Ataturk and you can find the Bulgarians in this period! I don't care about the nazis and fascist of Bulgaria, every country has such kind of groups even Turkey. So I think I am not enough respected by you in this forum as Bulgarian, but I respect you, I respect Ataturk and he is one of my idols as the Bulgarian revolutioners - Levski, Botev, Rakovski who have been fighting against the slavery! Even after all massacres and wars Bulgarian always buried your dead soldiers after battle, they said "And the Turks are born by woman". Even everything. I don't think your attitude to me is unworthy. I don't understand what are you thinking about the Bulgarians, but I feel I am not rightful member of the forum. Your words against my ancestors really make me cry! It is not important what is your nationality, but your skills and excellence! I don't really like the Ottoman empire, I hate it! I hate its population! But I love the united Turkish people, I love Ataturk and his Turkey - free and independent! So don't think Bulgarians are scared by Ottomans! Me and whole Bulgarian people can't understand how could you be proud with it. For Bulgarians the Ottoman empire is example for that what they shouldn't do! And there is just one newspapper who talks this bullnutss. It is the newspapper "Ataka" ruled by the party"Ataka", so called by myself fascistic party. Also in their television - Skat TV |
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Post by ALTAR on May 8, 2009 23:34:36 GMT 3
. I know the Ottoman empire was strong, but you must forget it! Look at Ataturk and you can find the Bulgarians in this period! Dont worry about Ottoman Empire. You aren't alone and You'll never walk alone ;D Believe me if you make some research about Ottoman History. I bet that you will be surprised with the reality is Ottoman Dynasty>  killed and massacred so many Turks in Anatolia than Balkan nations. Our Eternal Leader Ataturk saved Turk Nation from destroying by this tyrant dynasty. I don't think your attitude to me is unworthy. I don't understand what are you thinking about the Bulgarians, but I feel I am not rightful member of the forum. Your words against my ancestors really make me cry! Except Todor Jivkov, Volen Siderov and their companions, I have generally no problem with Bulgarians Khan Asparukh, Kubrat, Omurtagh were also a common part of our history. Sometimes I listen Chalga too |
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Post by thracianglad on May 9, 2009 0:05:53 GMT 3
. I know the Ottoman empire was strong, but you must forget it! Look at Ataturk and you can find the Bulgarians in this period! Dont worry about Ottoman Empire. You aren't alone and You'll never walk alone ;D Believe me if you make some research about Ottoman History. I bet that you will be surprised with the reality is Ottoman Dynasty> killed and massacred so many Turks in Anatolia than Balkan nations. Our Eternal Leader Ataturk saved Turk Nation from destroying by this tyrant dynasty. I don't think your attitude to me is unworthy. I don't understand what are you thinking about the Bulgarians, but I feel I am not rightful member of the forum. Your words against my ancestors really make me cry! Except Todor Jivkov, Volen Siderov and their companions, I have generally no problem with Bulgarians Khan Asparukh, Kubrat, Omurtagh were also a common part of our history. Sometimes I listen Chalga too I told you I don't care about the fascists. Todor Zhivkov was funny man, but Soviet puppet. I am freedom fighter as Ataturk and Vasil(my name is the same ) Levski! "Peace at home, peace in the world." Mustafa Kemal Ataturk "Brotherhood for everyone, it's not important the nationality and the religion." Vasil Levski |
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Post by thracianglad on May 10, 2009 11:48:58 GMT 3
The origin of the Gagauzes is obscure. In the begining of the 20th century the Bulgarian historian M.Dimitrov counts 19 different theories about their origin. A few decades later the Gagauz ethnologist M.N.Guboglo increases the number to 21. In some of those theories the Gagauz people are presented as descendants of the Turkic Bulgars or a clan of Seljuk Turks or as linguisticaly turkified Bulgarians. The fact that their confession is East Orthodox Christianity suggest that their ancestors already lived in the Balkans prior the Ottoman conquest in the late 14th century.
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Post by Temüjin on May 10, 2009 16:22:08 GMT 3
how can Bulgars be "linguistically turkified"?  |
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Post by hjernespiser on May 10, 2009 17:58:46 GMT 3
I think hinging an origin theory on religious affiliation is rather weak.
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You needn't to know what was feeling the Christian citizens of Ottoman empire. You destroyed their memory that is sacred to us with this bulls*its - So You must respect me as I respect you and as my ancestors respect your ancestors - there aren't one Ottoman Turkic warrior, who was no buried by the BULGARIAN CHRISTIAN population during Russo-Turkish war. This words was really obscene! This is not bad, ha .... 
killed and massacred so many Turks in Anatolia than Balkan nations. Our Eternal Leader Ataturk saved Turk Nation from destroying by this tyrant dynasty.
