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Post by sarmat on May 10, 2009 18:38:02 GMT 3
Why? In this case this it least shows that Gagauzes were in Balkans before the Ottoman conquest. I mean, it's unlikely that a tribe of Seljuk Turks would covert to Christianity in Bulgaria after it was conquered by Ottomans.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 10, 2009 19:27:59 GMT 3
Yeah, and I find the nationalisms of these small, unimportant, insignificant Balkan nations extremely hilarious ;D ;D ;D ;D You Balkanians are usually a joke yourself, but anyway I don't care what the Ottoman Dynasty did in your lands. And you Bulgarians massacred, persecuted Turks, destroyed every signle Turkish building in your country. Again, I don't understand what you try to say Bleh, I started really getting sick of this accusition of Turks due to the Yeniçeri system. Dude, the amount of Christians recruited to the Kapıkulu Corps was very small, and the system wasn't used all throughout Ottoman history. But of course it's impossible for you little funny Balkanians to know these Go keep crying "oh dear mama Europe, bad Turk make us beast enicheri" ;D ;D Show me a post where I said they were Seljuks And no, it is obvious the Gagauz were and are a Turkic people. That doesn't have anything to do with me being Turkish. I'm sure you don't have any serious proof about this matter. I don't need funny nationalistic propaganda nonsense from some insignificant hilarious little Balkan countries. You have no idea about Islamic law and the Islamic view of other religions, do you? The Christians and Jews are allowed to keep their faiths as long as they pay taxes. It's the other beliefs outside those that are not let to survive. Many? Yeah that must be no more than 50 or 60 people ;D But yes, sorry, I forgot, that number is "many" for you little Balkan nations ;D ;D Come with funny propaganda, you will have your reply. Come with real stuff, you will have your respect. Nonsense. LOL ;D Dear, don't forget they are funny tiny little and of course insignifcant Balkanians ;D ;D I wonder what those soldiers were saying when they brutally massacred Turkish peasants and destroyed every single Turkish building. You can not even differentiate a dynasty and it's subject populations. Hating the entire population of the Ottoman Empire means you also hate the ordinary Turkish villagefolk and also your own ancestors, who were Ottomans until 1908. Don't worry, we are also not big fans of the Ottoman Empire. It is known that the Oghuz also migrated to the Balkans in the 11th century, there are many historical records of their activities in Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary at that time. Their survivors later settled in the eastern parts of Romania, Moldova and Dobruja, creating the bulk of the later Gagauz people. The Turkomans of Saru Saltuq arrived there two centuries later, and most of them were later re-settled in northwestern Anatolia in the 14th century, so they actually don't have much to do with the Gagauz. But since you only know Bulgarian history (and that in a twisted way), it's not possible for you to know any of these at all
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Post by thracianglad on May 11, 2009 1:10:07 GMT 3
how can Bulgars be "linguistically turkified"? What's the matter? How could the Macedonians be Feeling Serbied and now they hate the Bulgars and Bulgaria. Maybe you are right, but they are turkic, but they are descedants of Bulgars or descedants of the people from the second great invasion(Cumans, Pechenegs, Ouzes)
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Post by hjernespiser on May 11, 2009 7:11:25 GMT 3
Ihsan gave a big trouncing. It is important to look at the big picture. Globally, no one really cares. The Balkans remind me a little of hill-billy family feuds in the Appalachians. The attitude globally is more like the meritocracy of Mongols during Chingis Khan's time. You're respected for what you can accomplish, not for your accident of birth.
If all you're accomplishing is victimization, you get no respect.
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Post by Subu'atai on May 11, 2009 12:59:15 GMT 3
Meritocracy my arse!
You're respected for whatever bullsh-t you can propagate, not for your individual worth. It's never what you know, it's who you know, how much money you have, what you can prove, and how well you are able to propagate your ideology.
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Post by Temüjin on May 11, 2009 19:27:47 GMT 3
sad but true...
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Post by thracianglad on May 11, 2009 19:59:18 GMT 3
No I don't propagate! I told you the main teories about the Gagauz origin, but you listen to your teory so talk for this topic, not for complexed people! I told you to listen in all teories, not only at this you wants!
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Post by thracianglad on May 11, 2009 22:44:50 GMT 3
Yeah, and I find the nationalisms of these small, unimportant, insignificant Balkan nations extremely hilarious ;D ;D ;D ;D You Balkanians are usually a joke yourself, but anyway I don't care what the Ottoman Dynasty did in your lands. And you Bulgarians massacred, persecuted Turks, destroyed every signle Turkish building in your country. Again, I don't understand what you try to say Bleh, I started really getting sick of this accusition of Turks due to the Yeniçeri system. Dude, the amount of Christians recruited to the Kapıkulu Corps was very small, and the system wasn't used all throughout Ottoman history. But of course it's impossible for you little funny Balkanians to know these Go keep crying "oh dear mama Europe, bad Turk make us beast enicheri" ;D ;D Show me a post where I said they were Seljuks And no, it is obvious the Gagauz were and are a Turkic people. That doesn't have anything to do with me being Turkish. I'm sure you don't have any serious proof about this matter. I don't need funny nationalistic propaganda nonsense from some insignificant hilarious little Balkan countries. You have no idea about Islamic law and the Islamic view of other religions, do you? The Christians and Jews are allowed to keep their faiths as long as they pay taxes. It's the other beliefs outside those that are not let to survive. Many? Yeah that must be no more than 50 or 60 people ;D But yes, sorry, I forgot, that number is "many" for you little Balkan nations ;D ;D Come with funny propaganda, you will have your reply. Come with real stuff, you will have your respect. Nonsense. LOL ;D Dear, don't forget they are funny tiny little and of course insignifcant Balkanians ;D ;D I wonder what those soldiers were saying when they brutally massacred Turkish peasants and destroyed every single Turkish building. You can not even differentiate a dynasty and it's subject populations. Hating the entire population of the Ottoman Empire means you also hate the ordinary Turkish villagefolk and also your own ancestors, who were Ottomans until 1908. Don't worry, we are also not big fans of the Ottoman Empire. It is known that the Oghuz also migrated to the Balkans in the 11th century, there are many historical records of their activities in Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary at that time. Their survivors later settled in the eastern parts of Romania, Moldova and Dobruja, creating the bulk of the later Gagauz people. The Turkomans of Saru Saltuq arrived there two centuries later, and most of them were later re-settled in northwestern Anatolia in the 14th century, so they actually don't have much to do with the Gagauz. But since you only know Bulgarian history (and that in a twisted way), it's not possible for you to know any of these at all You Balkanians, so the Turkish are not Balkanians Well, you aren't really caried about what Ottoman dynasty did, but I am. Lol destroying every Turkish building in your country - why don't give me an example About this you can't understand is that - I respect Turks(even you ) and I think you have to respect me, but I found out it is impossible. About the Gagauz people, I don't mean only you and believe me I have a proofs 60 people?! Maybe it was a joke. Yeah it was funny! Thanks for the sharing Actually your jokes aren't really funny, but sad to me
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Post by hjernespiser on May 12, 2009 1:44:32 GMT 3
Subu'atai,
;D
I assume you're referring to the present and not Mongolia during Chingis Khan?
There's still merit-based respect going on. Meritocracy was perhaps the wrong word to use because it implies power in government.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 12, 2009 18:57:30 GMT 3
Indeed. Yeah I know there are many theories about their origins, even the Greeks claim they were Albanians & Greeks, but most of these theories, including the Bulgarian one, are inaccurate. Nope So what? LOL you're kidding, right? Your country was ruled by the Turks for many centuries, but now there are very few remnants left. The Austrians, Serbians, Bulgarians and Greeks systematically destroyed a great percentage of Turkish buildings in the Balkans, starting after the Second Siege of Vienna, until today. I don't have to list you all the buildings, that is common knowledge, or you can just check some drawings/engravings/photos of Balkans cities made during the Ottoman period, and compare them with today. That's what I saw during my visits in Bulgaria and Serbia, and they all admit that. It's only a bunch of nationalist guys like you who deny these ultimate facts. If so, don't make me joke Don't post funny stuff like "oh you bad Turks did bad things to us all the time", "the Bulgarians came from Bactria", "it is 150% clear that the Gagauz are Bulgarians".
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Post by thracianglad on May 13, 2009 11:20:14 GMT 3
Well, about the Gagauz scientists it is one of the main theories. Until today - wtf?! Maybe after the liberation, but not nowadays too. So you are not nationalit, but you deny the massacres?! Ha, I have never seen such kind of post by me Nobody said anything and you started to talk how much the unimportant balkan nations are complexed by the turks ;D This is one of the theory, it is not sure, but for that there are many theories! What are you talking about?! I told that there are 19 theories about their origin!
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 14, 2009 11:41:51 GMT 3
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Post by thracianglad on May 14, 2009 20:48:08 GMT 3
You didn't watch tvs during the Bosnian War? The Serbs and Croats destroyed many Turkish monuments in Bosnia between 1992-1995: What massacres? Fisrst I am not croat or serb, am I I was sure you don't know anything. The most popular is Batak massacre =, in town with population of 7000, the killed were between 5000 - 6000 the streets were full of bodies, u can see normal street original axes of the executions a picture made in this period It is the most famous, because somebody have tried to change the history before two years!
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 16, 2009 2:28:45 GMT 3
Doesn't matter for me My point was that, most of the Balkan nations committed such acts well until very recently. For example, in Bulgaria, you can not find any Turkish monuments at all, except the very few which have survived just by sheer luck (a few years ago, an Ottoman mosque was turned to a night club in Bulgaria - how're you going to explain that?). Yes, I know this one. Note that this horrible massacre was conducted by Başıbozuk irregulars who were not under the control of the state, so it's pointless to blaim the entire Turkish nation for what a bunch of uncontrollable barbarians did.
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Post by thracianglad on May 16, 2009 11:33:36 GMT 3
Then why the empire hided this from the Western lands? It was good there was one journalist who saw that - Makgahan!
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