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Post by atabek on Jun 5, 2010 4:01:57 GMT 3
 Traditional Oghuz epic folk. This tradition can only be found in Azerbaijan. Texts mainly containts medieval Oghuz saga called Koroglu. Ashigs can also write of their own. The instrument are called "Qopuz". Also, not Turkish Saz as what some people may think. www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?RL=00253en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Azerbaijani_Ashiqs "Art of Azerbaijani Ashigs combines poetry, storytelling, dance and vocal and instrumental music into a traditional performance art. This art is one of the symbols of Azerbaijani culture and considered an emblem of national identity and the guardian of Azerbaijani language, literature and music Characterized by the accompaniment of the saz, a stringed musical instrument. The classical repertoire of Azerbaijani Ashigs includes 200 songs, 150 literary-musical compositions known as dastans, nearly 2,000 poems and numerous stories. Since 2009 the art of Azerbaijani Ashiqs has been inscribed on the Representative List of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity."   |
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Post by Atabeg on Jun 6, 2010 1:56:39 GMT 3
Accualy it can still be found in Turkey to in Kars and some extend in igdir and ardahan
Terekemes or Karapapaks have the best Asiks they can be foun in Northern Azerbaycan North eastern Turkey and Borçali in georgia. It has little to do with azerbaycani music wich are more Mahnis and Mugam
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Post by Atabeg on Jun 6, 2010 1:59:49 GMT 3
Murat çobanoglu is a Asik from Kars turkey (the most famous asik of the last decade)
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Post by atabek on Jun 6, 2010 2:52:42 GMT 3
Accualy it can still be found in Turkey to in Kars and some extend in igdir and ardahan Terekemes or Karapapaks have the best Asiks they can be foun in Northern Azerbaycan North eastern Turkey and Borçali in georgia. It has little to do with azerbaycani music wich are more Mahnis and Mugam You are really ignorant. Tell me any other place where Ashig tradition are more advanced then that of Azerbaijan. Those in Kars, Igdir, Ardahan are Azerbaijani Turks. Karapapaks are Azerbaijani Turks themselves. They are one of many groups. Karapapaks do not innhabit the northern regions of Azerbaijan but west. When you say north, its areas near Dagestan. Karapapaks are around Gence. Think of it like Karadeniz vs Ege people of Turkey. They are all Turkish at the end. The homeland of Ashigs are Gence-Tovuz-Qazakh area of Azerbaijan. And best Ashigs are from there. Also Borchali, but Borchali are equal to western area of Azerbaijan. Borchali and Gence are 100% the same. It only lies within borders of Georgia, artifical borders. Has little to do with Azerbaijani music? What is Ashig? Alien music? LOL. ;D Mugam are unique to Karabakh, Ashigs unique to western areas. But they are all part of Azerbaijani culture and music. |
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Post by atabek on Jun 6, 2010 3:09:06 GMT 3
Murat çobanoglu is a Asik from Kars turkey (the most famous asik of the last decade) LOL. Ashigs use Qopuz (Azerbaijani instrument) not Saz! |
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Post by atabek on Jun 6, 2010 3:14:49 GMT 3
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Post by Atabeg on Jun 6, 2010 3:23:51 GMT 3
Murat çobanoglu is a Asik from Kars turkey (the most famous asik of the last decade) LOL. Ashigs use Qopuz (Azerbaijani instrument) not Saz! lol? and the Turkmens use a dutar whats your point? r u realy this close minded my friend? Asiqlik is a tradition that goes back centuries long before the state of azerbaycan or the azeri people or Turkish or Turkmen. over the centuries all clans of the oghuz have made their own version with different instruments. It's not a monopoly you know and by trying to 'own' the art of Asiklik you are neglecting it's basic purpose. To unite people and tell History |
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Post by atabek on Jun 6, 2010 3:26:56 GMT 3
It indeed belongs to Azerbaijan.
Is that Ashig tradition? Turkmen one? ;D
And neither there are a such thing among Anatolian Turks.
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Post by atabek on Jun 6, 2010 4:49:09 GMT 3
Maybe something for you to shut-up. ;D www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?RL=00253en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Azerbaijani_AshiqsArt of Azerbaijani Ashigs combines poetry, storytelling, dance and vocal and instrumental music into a traditional performance art. This art is one of the symbols of Azerbaijani culture and considered an emblem of national identity and the guardian of Azerbaijani language, literature and music Characterized by the accompaniment of the kopuz, a stringed musical instrument. The classical repertoire of Azerbaijani Ashigs includes 200 songs, 150 literary-musical compositions known as dastans, nearly 2,000 poems and numerous stories. Since 2009 the art of Azerbaijani Ashiqs has been inscribed on the Representative List of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity. |
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Post by ALTAR on Jun 6, 2010 10:42:13 GMT 3
Atabeg, Nice clips. Thanks.
Sometimes I watch Ashiqs in AZTV.
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Post by Atabeg on Jun 6, 2010 12:35:05 GMT 3
Atabek I just gave you proof that it isn't an Azerbaijani tradition but a Turkmen one (today's azeri, Turkmens and anatolian turks). how can you be so ignorant?
The best asiks are the kaparapapak aka Terekeme what does terekeme mean? It means Turkmen. Why do they call themselfs terekeme and not Azeri. because they are nomads and not sedentary Azeri's who were heavily influenced by the persians in language and culture.
Asiklik or Baksilik is an ancient Oghuz tradition wich predates the islamic era. One of the most famous asik is dede korkut.
Being an asik has nothing to do with the instrument you play but about what you sing to the PEOPLE!
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Post by atabek on Jun 6, 2010 12:53:00 GMT 3
Atabeg my friend, you are supposedly a Turanian nationalist yet are not aware that nothing as "Azeri" people exist? Tell that to UNESCO. ;D What do you see there my friend? www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?RL=00253Atabeg, the best ashigs are the ones you see in Azerbaijan. In the videos I posted here. You exeggerate the Persian influence. Azerbaijani Turks are mainly influenced by Caucasus culture when it comes to foreign influences, not Persian. How many times do I have to tell this? Terekeme are one of the tribes of Azerbaijani Turks. There is nothing as Azeri. And most tribes of Azerbaijani Turks were nomads. And Terekemes mostly live in western Azerbaijan. Or to say it like this, those in western Azerbaijan (above Karabakh) are all Terekeme Azerbaijani Turks, all the way to Borchali. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 6, 2010 21:53:54 GMT 3
Atabek, please enlighten us about the difference between Anatolian Bağlama (Saz) and Azeri Qopuz. I ask because I really don't know the details, and both look the same.
(And cut off that insulting manner of yours against other members of this forum, especially those who are members of the Staff - that is against our rules)
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Post by Atabeg on Jun 7, 2010 0:25:24 GMT 3
Funny thing that all the good Asiks are Terekemes and non of the other tribes of Azerbaycan.... I'm just pointing out that the Terekmes are part of turkey as they are a part of Azerbaycan. Together with the Meskhetian turks they are the ones who connected Eastern Anatolia with Azerbaycan culturaly and linguisticly... You my friend are blinded by false pride
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Post by atabek on Jun 7, 2010 12:35:24 GMT 3
I don't think you have any intention to understand it. Terekemes are a name given to Azerbaijani Turks in Turkey. Terekemes are Azerbaijani Turks. There is no need to make it so complex. So what is "Funny thing that all the good Asiks are Terekemes and non of the other tribes of Azerbaycan" supposed to be?  How did Terekemes got into modern day boundaries of Turkey? All of them are Azerbaijani Turks who fled Russian invasion. So simple. You don't need to create your own stories. Why are they actually called in that way? Karapapak? Because of their Azerbaijani headgear called Papaq, wich distinguished them from local Anatolians. Is there a 0.01% difference between so called Terekemes in Turkey and population of Azerbaijan? They talk like us, dance our dances, play our musics, eat our foods. And they wear our Papaqs. ;D Get real, everyone has ears and eyes. Stop calling something black as white. |
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