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Post by temur on Feb 14, 2007 13:49:00 GMT 3
I also heard about Chinese complaining on exam entrance. But you miss a crucial point. entrance scores needed for Mongols to university are much lower than their Chinese classmates. For example, Chinese student have to reach 580 score if they want to enter Beijing University, but if Mongol students can reach 500 scores they would be enrolled in it. I hold mixed feelings towards China myself. A lot of unfortunate things happened to ethnic Mongols earlier in the century in Ovor Mongolia (inner Mongolia) and somehow this is their "homeland." And I hear Han Chinese complaining about Mongol kids getting scholarship and points rewards on entrance exams. meh... It's a jumble of mess. I miss it there. My dad was born in Ituli river in Ovor M and I'd like to visit that place one day.
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Post by temur on Feb 9, 2007 16:47:23 GMT 3
To this point, I totally agree with you, our forum is neither Chinese forum nor Turkish forum or Anti-Chinese one! BTW, you have no right to say" you don't like hear Chinese influenced words on it." This sentence is biased, and can be suspected to be a racist" point is, this is Steppe History Forum, not Chinese History Forum...
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Post by temur on Feb 8, 2007 13:14:25 GMT 3
Dear Bloody Baron, I live in Chinese society,and I was born in Iner-Mongolia. My pronunciation on some words are more or less influenced by Chinese language. You are completely right, many Mongols who live in Iner-Mongolia can't speak their mother language. It,s not their fault, because there are countless Chinese peoples around them, many business stuff and money around them. They must to speak Chinese to do business, because most of western and American investors only speak Chinese. I know many Mongols who live in Russia can't speak mother language too. Shame on them Well, not their reason. If you live in society which bans and denies you using own language, that cannot be their fault. So, I wonder in what language and culture society Temur lives.
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Post by temur on Feb 7, 2007 16:04:03 GMT 3
BTW, you have no right to say" you don't like hear Chinese influenced words on it." This sentence is biased, and can be suspected to be a racist" I don't know if a Yabghu make fault or indirectly attack a member, and show some extreme words on certain topics, could he be pinished by Yasa? BTW I can`t read word Hexigten! its like "Heg-zig-ten". The real form must be Heshigten or Hishigten. Chahaer!? Ar Mongolian don`t use "Cha" we call "Tsahar" "Tsahar" comes from "Zah har"="watch border". I`m sure no Mongol will do mistake about these words. The point is we don`t want to hear Chinese influenced words here. I hope U understand it.
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Post by temur on Feb 7, 2007 15:57:28 GMT 3
In fact, you can 't make any promises on the pronunciation played by Mongols who live in different areas. Even the president of Rep of Mongolia can't certain about it! By the way, you sounds like a diplomat. BTW I can`t read word Hexigten! its like "Heg-zig-ten". The real form must be Heshigten or Hishigten. Chahaer!? Ar Mongolian don`t use "Cha" we call "Tsahar" "Tsahar" comes from "Zah har"="watch border". I`m sure no Mongol will do mistake about these words. The point is we don`t want to hear Chinese influenced words here. I hope U understand it.
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Post by temur on Feb 7, 2007 15:05:26 GMT 3
Salam! my Turkish friend. If I,m correct on the spelling of Salam? Thanks I,m proud of my correctness at this time ;D ;D ;D Why you hurt me with such brutal words, even my Mongol brothers and Chinese friends never doubt my Mongol blood. To this point, I,m right, you must make apology to me! You really hurt me! You can ask Saran what,s meaning of Hexigten. It ,s the most brave army of Chinggis Khan. Pls answer me a question, why you built this forum? I think that the purpose of erecting this forum is to make friends, and to discuss some historic events without biased view. My another question is that how do you define a friend? I personally think that the essence of making friend is respect, understanding and communication. Some peoples expect that his friends must subject to him and flatter him(such kind of FRIENDS ARE MUCH MORE SLAVES THAN FRIENDS)---- if friends dare to point out his faults directly or oppose his wrong ideas, he will mistreat his friends or openly attack them. I have said it before, like many Mongols I received my education in China, so my spellings on the stuff of Mongolia are influenced by Chinese language. But I,m doing hard to correct it. You must answer my two questions! your quite the emotional type aren't you . but i musy say you finaly spelled Chinggis correct after 20x
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Post by temur on Feb 7, 2007 14:35:55 GMT 3
Why you hurt me with such brutal words, even my Mongol brothers and Chinese friends never doubt my Mongol blood. To this point, I,m right, you must make apology to me! You really hurt me! You can ask Saran what,s meaning of Hexigten. It ,s the most brave army of Chinggis Khan. Pls answer me a question, why you built this forum? I think that the purpose of erecting this forum is to make friends, and to discuss some historic events without biased view. My another question is that how do you define a friend? I personally think that the essence of making friend is respect, understanding and communication. Some peoples expect that his friends must subject to him and flatter him(such kind of FRIENDS ARE MUCH MORE SLAVES THAN FRIENDS)---- if friends dare to point out his faults directly or oppose his wrong ideas, he will mistreat his friends or openly attack them. I have said it before, like many Mongols I received my education in China, so my spellings on the stuff of Mongolia are influenced by Chinese language. But I,m doing hard to correct it. You must answer my two questions! When Hexigten Mongols and Chahaer Mongols got news, I doubt you are Mongol or not because you can not write even a single Mongol name with the correct spellings. Just write them correctly man dammit!
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Post by temur on Feb 6, 2007 11:49:21 GMT 3
Somebody once said that, The Great Khan was buried in liu pan mountain(ÁùÅÌɽ£© in Ning xia province of China because he died in there. It,s our Mongol's custom that it's impossible to take body of died for a long journey, because the body will be decayed. If the holy grave is in China, Mongols of Iner Mongolia will use their blood and life to protect it. History has proved our determination, when Japanese invader entered grass land, they wanted to take clothes, saber, and something like that used by Great Khan, from his sacred monument built by his descendants. When Hexigten Mongols and Chahaer Mongols got news, they automatically stand out to fight against Japanese invaders, and escorted Great Khan's monument to Gansu province. The route is bloody, many young ppls died in the battlefield. When his monument was erected in new place, all Mongols who were in site, kneeled down, weeping and crying, some old peoples even lost consciousness as result of excessive sadness. Seaching The Great Khaan`s tomb is not a good idea -I think. I believe that no one is realy searching for it cuz it will cost quite huge money, instead they inpecting what? where? how much? -I mean mineral resources. Soviet Russia(=CCCP) was first to search & documents always classified as "TOP SECRET". If U say "we are here to find mineral resources" some might no allow it & ask money. But if U say "we are here to find Chinggis Khaan`s tomb" Mongol lords say "Sure". But no one knows what are they realy looking after -that the problem. Body of The Great Khaan is equal to a wonder or some magical item that gives spiritual power. I heard that America & Russia are smart/strong/prosperious because on their lands they managed to collect many (magical/powerful)items from all over the world.
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Post by temur on Jan 22, 2007 16:35:00 GMT 3
Dear noble Baron, But which one is much more proper and commonly accepted by international standard. Qaghan should make cencorship about those wrong names for Genghis Khan, which would automatically replace those.
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Post by temur on Jan 22, 2007 12:12:58 GMT 3
Yes Sir! Just stop mis-typing his name!
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Post by temur on Jan 20, 2007 14:18:00 GMT 3
My friend, I never doubted his origin, and forever. But I ,m angered when I heard that Khan's grave is at risk, and our Mongols choose to keep silent. We can't earn money through Khan's grave. Chinggis Khan is the spirit of our nation. No one should ever have to question Erdene's ethnicity.
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Post by temur on Jan 20, 2007 14:10:58 GMT 3
I have made it clearly above sentence you quoted, Khan's grave is the most precious treasure of our nation. So nobody can earn dirty from it. If we keep silence, when enemies touch Khan's grave. it will be a great humiliation toward all Mongol tribes. You must be a son of a rich Mongol family or high official, that why you can go abroad for decent education. We must do something practically, esp do our best to improve the living standard of ordinary Mongols. And build schools of high standard in poor areas. If possible to find a permanent outlet toward ocean which is very important to Mongolia. Independence is paramount and it,s can not be discussed. Erdene , are you a Mongol? Keeping silence on what those bastards have been doing on grave is more nasty than subject to China. .. ...than being a subject of China??? Is that what you mean...being part of China???
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Post by temur on Jan 19, 2007 14:28:44 GMT 3
Erdene , are you a Mongol? Keeping silence on what those bastards have been doing on grave is more nasty than subject to China. Development of economy is not a proper excuse, it,s the dirty excuse of nasty politicians and new-starts. It,s was commonly accepted that Mongolia is governed mainly by opportunists who made themselves during the years of communists. Mongolia should be governed my Golden family member(descendents of Genghis Qaghan). If Khan's grave were touched by bastards, I will certainly organize an army to destroy every country involved and kill all their citizens as human sacrifice to Genghis Qaghan. Iwill tell my Warriors don't loot, rape and take nothing from those countries and only thing you have to do is to kill all peoples and destroy everthing in that country. I ,m kind in nature, but I can't tolerate such thing. There are two outcomes. 1 I will destroy ecery country involved( include Mongols who collaborate with enemies). 2. I and all my Warriors dead in battlefield. I am not sure if it is found whether to dig it up or not??? he wanted to be left alone and thats what it has been through out the centuries.... Mongolia and Mongolians are experiencing hard times now..... could the discovery of his tomb bring good fortunes for us??? Huge amounts of treasures were taken to Mongolia and never seen again.....could all that be in there??? Could he AGAIN unite his people in times of disunity??? Could he AGAIN make us great??? Not to mention all the tourists and world interest in him......It could just be what our economy needs!!! But if NOT....then we should stop these tomb-raiders and turn the possible locations into wild life sancturies....if its not already one. I personally think it is a very hard decision to make......
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Post by temur on Jan 18, 2007 17:27:04 GMT 3
Nevertheless, I appreciate your correction very much! But pls say something concerned about my topic. The situation of Genghis Khan' tomb is very dangerous, and you don't need to be too picky about my incorrectness. Stop calling Great Qaghan "Genjisi". His name is Temujin and he is called "Chinggis Qaghan" or "Genghis Qaghan".
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Post by temur on Jan 18, 2007 17:15:29 GMT 3
You are off-topic again. Stop calling Great Qaghan "Genjisi". His name is Temujin and he is called "Chinggis Qaghan" or "Genghis Qaghan".
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