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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 20, 2009 22:42:30 GMT 3
I can help you with Old Turkic vocabulary, as I have most of the Old Turkic dictionaries.
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Post by arnewise12 on Jan 21, 2009 0:44:59 GMT 3
Oh thats great, were can I find it, is it available in amazon.com
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Jan 21, 2009 1:37:32 GMT 3
I can help you with Iranian languages. However amongst your languages you should include and consider vast series of old Iranian and proto-Iranian or even proto indo-european languages as well.
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Post by hjernespiser on Jan 21, 2009 5:26:36 GMT 3
Hi all. I intend to start a computational linguistic project on the steppe languages. Any hint or help would be appreciated. What project? |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 21, 2009 14:51:27 GMT 3
You can't find them in the internet, they are mostly old books that can only be found in university libraries.
I don't agree with this classification. First of all, the Hurrians and Paleo-Siberians are not Steppe peoples. Second, we know that both the Asian Huns (Xiongnu 匈奴) and European Huns, the Dingling 丁零, Sabars, "Proto-Bulgarians", Avars, Khazars and Qabars were Turkic speakers, so they all should be classified under "Turkic". The same classification goes for Donghu 東胡 and Serbi (Xianbei 鮮卑) who were early Mongols. The Tabġač (Tuoba 拓跋) spoke a language which was mostly Turkic, but contained Mongolian vocabulary too.
There are no evidences to proove that the Wusun 烏孫 were IE-speakers.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 22, 2009 4:41:59 GMT 3
Allright  According to Tuncer Gülensoy, Modern Turkish Boğa (Bull) was Buqa in Old Turkic. He proposes a Proto-Turkic reconstruction as *Būqa. Annemarie von Gabain and Ahmet Caferoğlu also give Buqa as "Bull" in 6th-10th century Old Turkic. Unfortunately, none of them explains the etymology of this word, but Gülensoy gives a full list of how the word can be found in Turkic dialects, as well as how it passed to Mongolian, Hungarian, Russian, Kurdish, etc; if you want, I can post the list here. Actually, it's been known since the 1930s and 1950s  Just check the works of Peter A. Boodberg and Louis Bazin. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 22, 2009 21:21:09 GMT 3
No problem This is why this forum exists ;D First of all, the local dialects or accents in Turkey has many different forms of this word. Gülensoy lists them as follows: boga, boğa, boğö, boğ, boğasak, boğu, bona, bonarsak, bogarsak, bo, borsak, böğe, böğesek, bu, busak, bua, buasak, buga, buğa, buğu, buğusak, buva, bağa, bağı, bıa, bıasak, bığa, bığasak (OMG, I didn't know so many varities existed for one single word in one single country!  ) Other Turkic dialects/languages:Chaghatay: Buġa Ottoman, Qumuq, Qarachay-Balqar: Boġa Bashqurt: Bθgå Oyrat Turkic: Puga Word as passed to Non-Turkic languages:Mongolian: Buqa Russian: Bugai, Byk Kurdish: Boğ (Bogh), Boxe (Bokhe), Boği (Boghi) Zaza: Boxe Romanian: Buhai, Buhaiu Hungarian: Bika Oh well, since the Tabghach were originally a Mongolic people, they must have been Mongolian-speakers in the beginning, but after micing with the Asian Huns and getting under their influence, most of their vocabulary became Turkic, as both Boodberg and Bazin point out. It's actually a very interesting case |
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Jan 23, 2009 8:43:06 GMT 3
First of all you should be careful that those are not considered PIE languages. As it seemed to your from the very beginning you may work on at least three main different families of languages, which broadly encompasses comparative linguistics and historical linguistics. The Wusun language is believed to be probabaly Turkic today in the meanwhile as for the language of Hephthalites we have almost nothing in hand and it's remained problematic like the classification of their origin and ethnicity.
However for IE and Iranian part of your project like other attempts made before, you are likley to widely use some old languages available like Sanskrit, Avestan, Sogdian and Tocharian, etc. Also lexicology of languages like Gothic of course.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 23, 2009 22:37:55 GMT 3
Yes, I am sure our member Maotun can find a lot of info and materials on such IE languages in the internet, especially in JSTOR, which prooved very useful for me, for example.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 24, 2009 22:01:52 GMT 3
No problem |
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Just check the works of Peter A. Boodberg and Louis Bazin.
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