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[tangriberdi]

Yes he is an Avshar Turkmen as well. My maternal side is from the same region as him. And my elderly relatives tell me about how we immigrated from Gurgan, Ýran to Pinarbasi, Kayseri and then to Karaman. And Ottomans exiled us to Thessaloniki. After Ottomans' retreat Ataturk brough us, his tribal fellowmen to Turkey.
Only difference between him and us is our sect. My maternal sect is Alavite and my paternal sect is Sunnite Hannafite, which I feel closer.

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Yes, documents from the Ottoman archives prooving the Avshar origins of Mustafa Kemâl Atatürk were discovered several years ago. According to the documents, Mustafa Kemâl Atatürk's ancestors were from the Avshar Türkmens loriginially living in Qonya.

[erdene]

Hey what do you people use to make these flags....I tried on paint and wasn't really good.

[Boorchi Noyan]

mostly Photoshop-like programs

[raapi]

naah paint sucks but its still useful. use photoshop!
I'll try my hand at some designs.

[Bor Chono]

aca said:

Just my imagination:

Nice!
I have some questions : ;D
-What does this ornament symbolize? I guess Mongols don`t use such complicated ornaments on their flags. Maybe some straight lines & zig zags are used.(=I`m mot talking about modern flags. )
(By Mongol way ppl who called "Buduuleguud" means "Primitive" don`t have ornaments. Chinese can be called "Primitive" cuz most lower class chinese don`t use ornaments on their clothing(Bad is they even had no edge lines -U can see it in Japanese Kimonos) while every Nomad tryed to decorate their clothing. I know that Chinese silk was highly decorated with ornaments but also I heard that in ancient time it was not widely used by mass -only by the ppl who have money/in high class)
-Why there are 3 tails?

[Bor Chono]

kokturk said:

This is my suggestion. It is the symbol of Avshars and Avshars are the only people who can claim to be the leader of all the Steppes!

I guess U wanted to say Avshars are the leaders of all Turks!?
Ok I see...a cross? Surely cross is a strong symbol but because of Cristianity(=biggest religion?) everyone started use it-right?
Look at this falcon :

Scythian art
I also heard that Xiongnu(=Hunnu) king had such falcon on it`s crown.(=The crown is in South Mongolian Museum)
and this is the symbol of Hiad Borjigin & Borjigin tribe also called the symbol of the Great khaan :

So Halha(=Guardians) Mongols also can claim to be a leaders of something!?

[tengrikut]

borchono said:

verinenparoni said:

About Swastika: Finnish Swastika means that it is heart of war-god Iku-Turso/Turisas.

Man! your "Iku-Turso" sounds so close to Mongolian.! ;D
Mongolian "Ikh-Durs" or maybe "Iku Dursu" mean "Great shape"="Great symbol".
OR
Mongolian "Ikh-Tur"="Great State" or "Push Greatly"
Mongolian "Ikh-Turs"="Great fish egg"(-LOL ;D)

verinenparoni said:

There is still Swastika in our presidental flag and our Air Forces also uses that symbol.

I hope, if it is possble, show it to us.

ikh-tur... hmm sounds like ittir or ittur which means push

[kokturk]

borchono said:

kokturk said:

This is my suggestion. It is the symbol of Avshars and Avshars are the only people who can claim to be the leader of all the Steppes!

I guess U wanted to say Avshars are the leaders of all Turks!?
Ok I see...a cross? Surely cross is a strong symbol but because of Cristianity(=biggest religion?) everyone started use it-right?
Look at this falcon :

Scythian art
I also heard that Xiongnu(=Hunnu) king had such falcon on it`s crown.(=The crown is in South Mongolian Museum)
and this is the symbol of Hiad Borjigin & Borjigin tribe also called the symbol of the Great khaan :

So Halha(=Guardians) Mongols also can claim to be a leaders of something!?

Cross is a very primitive symbol. You can find it everywhere. It has no relationship wth Christianity.

Just like falcon, eagle, lion or wolf. These are symbols in nearly all around the World. Because these animals are symbols of power, freedom and so on.

[aca]

borchono said:

aca said:

Just my imagination:

Nice!
I have some questions : ;D
-What does this ornament symbolize? I guess Mongols don`t use such complicated ornaments on their flags. Maybe some straight lines & zig zags are used.(=I`m mot talking about modern flags. )
(By Mongol way ppl who called "Buduuleguud" means "Primitive" don`t have ornaments. Chinese can be called "Primitive" cuz most lower class chinese don`t use ornaments on their clothing(Bad is they even had no edge lines -U can see it in Japanese Kimonos) while every Nomad tryed to decorate their clothing. I know that Chinese silk was highly decorated with ornaments but also I heard that in ancient time it was not widely used by mass -only by the ppl who have money/in high class)
-Why there are 3 tails?

Well... About this ornament - We should ask Bawirsaq or Nomad, because I took it from Qazaq flag

About the shape and those 3 tails - the shape is the same as the shape of the Blue Turk flag found in Qazaqstan (together with its 3 tails)
I was also wandering about the meaning of those tails... You can also see 3 tailed flags even on old Yaqut petroglyphes - one which is now used as Yaqut official coat of arms:



So, I guess in ancient times Turkic nomads used 3 tailed flags like this

[Boorchi Noyan]

tengrikut said:

borchono said:

Man! your "Iku-Turso" sounds so close to Mongolian.! ;D
Mongolian "Ikh-Durs" or maybe "Iku Dursu" mean "Great shape"="Great symbol".
OR
Mongolian "Ikh-Tur"="Great State" or "Push Greatly"
Mongolian "Ikh-Turs"="Great fish egg"(-LOL ;D)

I hope, if it is possble, show it to us.

ikh-tur... hmm sounds like ittir or ittur which means push

ikh =? yeke

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Yes, Ikh or Ikhe is the modern form of Old Mongolian Yeke meaning "Great".

For example, Yeke Mongghol Ulus (Great Mongol State) in Old Mongolian is today Ikh Mongol/Mongghol Uls.

[Boorchi Noyan]

admin said:

Yes, Ikh or Ikhe is the modern form of Old Mongolian Yeke meaning "Great".

For example, Yeke Mongghol Ulus (Great Mongol State) in Old Mongolian is today Ikh Mongol/Mongghol Uls.

yeke is used for "büyük, koca" in Turkic languages, too. For example we (azeri Turks) use it a lot...

[Azadan Januspar]

my gratitudes dear admin Ihsan for taking action about the banner.

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Dear Azadan, I decided not to change it.