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Post by Azadan Januspar on Sept 19, 2008 3:04:32 GMT 3
Who were the Dulus who allegedly assisted turkish khan in his campaigns in 6-7 centuries?
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Post by ALTAR on Sept 19, 2008 18:14:00 GMT 3
Dulu(maybe Dulo) was a noble clan in Danube and Idel Bulgarians. Many Bulgar Khans were descended from that clan.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 19, 2008 20:41:35 GMT 3
According to the Chinese sources, the realm of the Western Türk Qaġanate was divided to ten tribes who were collected in two major groups; the Right (Western) branch was called Nǔshībì (Nu-shih-pi) 弩失畢, who lived in the lands to the west of the Suìyè (Sui-ye) 碎葉 (Sûyâb ﺴﻮﻴﺎﺐ, Ču) River. The name of the Left (Eastern) branch is written in Chinese sources in different versions: Duōliù (To-liu) 咄六, Dūliù (Tu-liu) 都六, Dūlù (Tu-lu 都陸) and Duōlù (To-lu) 咄陸. None of these names can be reconstructed in their original forms. However, they appear to be Turkic tribes.
It has been claimed that the Dulo clan of Old Great Bulgaria are related with this group of Turkic tribes, but the only similarity seems to be with the names. For now, there is no evidence to proove the existence of a link between these two, and I personally think it is most probably impossible.
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Post by 6ato on Sept 20, 2008 5:33:03 GMT 3
The Dulu was the one of the tribes later named the Kazakhs, and they were existing within the Western TUrkic Kaganate. The another large tribe in that Kaganate was the Nushibs.  * Source for the map: Leo Gumilev , "Ancient Turks". |
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Post by greathun on Sept 21, 2008 6:21:57 GMT 3
WOW, you know Chinese? According to the Chinese sources, the realm of the Western Türk Qaġanate was divided to ten tribes who were collected in two major groups; the Right (Western) branch was called Nǔshībì (Nu-shih-pi) 弩失畢, who lived in the lands to the west of the Suìyè (Sui-ye) 碎葉 (Sûyâb ﺴﻮﻴﺎﺐ, Ču) River. The name of the Left (Eastern) branch is written in Chinese sources in different versions: Duōliù (To-liu) 咄六, Dūliù (Tu-liu) 都六, Dūlù (Tu-lu 都陸) and Duōlù (To-lu) 咄陸. None of these names can be reconstructed in their original forms. However, they appear to be Turkic tribes. It has been claimed that the Dulo clan of Old Great Bulgaria are related with this group of Turkic tribes, but the only similarity seems to be with the names. For now, there is no evidence to proove the existence of a link between these two, and I personally think it is most probably impossible. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 21, 2008 13:07:38 GMT 3
They were not tribes, they were a collection of tribes  Btw, what makes you think that these On Oq became the Qazaqs? I am learning it  |
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Sept 21, 2008 16:22:49 GMT 3
Thanks for the map man.
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Post by 6ato on Sept 21, 2008 21:44:02 GMT 3
Well, I can assume, that the Dulu tribe was including other many tribes with their own names. Nevertheless, they were named later the Kazakhs. Kazakhs consists of many tribes, and until nowadays, they know their roots and their tribes' name they belong to. |
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Post by 6ato on Sept 21, 2008 21:44:58 GMT 3
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Post by Asparuh on Feb 24, 2009 1:43:21 GMT 3
Ok,about the clan Dulu.
I think i'm quite agree with Altar.There is always a doubt of course.But since i first read Bulgarian history in school it is said the Khan Kubrat and his succesors were from this clan.
At least this is what is said in the history books.
The Dulu origin are in today Kazakstan as we can see from the map.
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Btw, what makes you think that these On Oq became the Qazaqs?
