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Post by Temüjin on Aug 20, 2008 0:28:32 GMT 3
i've seen this as a personal name very often so i wonder whats the meaning of it and is there a connection with the Yakut/Sakha people?
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Post by ALTAR on Aug 20, 2008 11:43:40 GMT 3
First of all, Yakut word was from Evenk(Tungus). They called Sakhas as EKO, EKOT. Russians converted it to YAKUT. So Yakut is the name of Sakha which was given by Russians with Tungus word.
Sakhas are descended from Kurikans who were mentioned in the Orkhun Moniments. They were a part of TÖLES tribes(Ti-ele in the old Chinese Chronicles). They lived in in the north of Kokturks, especially around Baikal Lake. They had been still lived at there for a long time after the collapse of Kokturks too. However, there waere many raids against which are made by Buryats and also Genghis Khagans birgades against Sakhas. It leaded to the migration of Sakhas the places that today they have been living.
About Sakha name, Töles tribes also lived with Sakas in Pazyrik and Uluk areas. It is because of that Sakha people use to define their identity with that word.
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 20, 2008 13:08:23 GMT 3
Yakut = ruby in Turkish
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 20, 2008 14:04:53 GMT 3
Yâqût ﻴﺎﻗﻮﺖ is an Arabic word meaning ruby, which is Yakut (pronounced Yâkut) in Modern Turkish. It has no connection with the Yakut people in Siberia.
Yes indeed, the original name of this people is Sakha (with a frictional H); Yakut is the name adopted by the Russians via the Tungusic neighbors of this people.
In the Sakha language, the "y" sounds in other Turkic languages change to "s". So probably the original version was Yakha or Yaqa (the changes between frictional H [kh] and hard K [q] is very common). "-(u)t" is a common Turko-Mongol plural suffix.
I should remind that the name Töliš (Tölish), written as Tūlìshī (T'u-li-shih) 突利施 in Chinese, is a political term used for the Western portions of Turkic Empires (it's useage among the Celestial Turks, Xuēyántuó / Hsüeh-yen-t'o 薛延陀, Uyghurs, Qïrghïz and Khazars is well known from Chinese, Turkic and Islamic sources), which is obviously different from the name Tiělè (T'ieh-le) 鐵勒, which is probably Tiräk (Direk, pole) or Tägräg (Tekerlek, wheel) in Old Turkic, used for a group of Turkic tribes during the 6th-7th centuries.
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 20, 2008 22:59:22 GMT 3
Yâqût ﻴﺎﻗﻮﺖ is an Arabic word meaning ruby, which is Yakut (pronounced Yâkut) in Modern Turkish. It has no connection with the Yakut people in Siberia. thanks, thats what i wanted to know. interesting, so it is an Arab name and not Turkic as i suspected... |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 21, 2008 11:14:18 GMT 3
Yes, it's not a Turkic-origined word, though it's now used in Turkic languages. Btw, Yâqût (Arabic "ruby") and Yakut (Sakha people) are pronounced differently too, especially in the vowels  |
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 21, 2008 19:39:16 GMT 3
i see
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