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Post by buddharosie on Aug 19, 2008 6:49:32 GMT 3
One of the reasons why I love Mongolian history are the women are strong and the men are good looking....  And thank you for welcoming me to your forum. You guys are hilarious! And there's quite a few poets among you, too, but I digress.... Tell me, who was the greatest woman? Chinghis Khaan's mother who held all the arrows together? (My people -- Kanien'kehaka of Turtle Island (Mohawks of Canada and New York as the Europeans call us) have a similar story.) Or was it one of his wives? I know the movie "Mongol" is full of nonsense, but I certainly did like the strong women characters. They didn't wait around for Steven Segal to show up! ;D |
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Aug 19, 2008 7:50:25 GMT 3
Wow you are Mohawk!  a Mohawk with Mohawks? |
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Post by buddharosie on Aug 20, 2008 2:24:12 GMT 3
Azadan -- Hailimamnoon! (You are Persian, yes?)  Mohawk is an interesting word. It is what the Huron called us. It means asp or viper or more colloquially, Pain in the @$$. Our language doesn't have the M or B sound. Some Frenchman or Englishman got lost and asked the Huron who we were and of course, they got a very diplomatic and accurate (sarcasm alert) response. A real Kanian'kehaka (People of the Flint -- as we used flint to make the tips of our arrows and to light our fires) call ourselves "On:kwe" or people/men. It's similar to Khun in Mongolian. As to the hair do, the "Mohawk" was again more of a Huron thing. Our men originally shaved the front part of their foreheads and tied the rest back. When you live in the woods, you don't want to become bear bait. Later, a lot of the woodland Nations traded hair styles amongst each other. That could have been partly due to the Americans pushing us from the south and the English pushing us from the north, sort of like the Halh, Buriats, and other central Asian nations getting caught between the Chinese, Manchus, and Russians. Our nation was so fierce that when the Americans decided to dump all that expensive tea in the sea, they got on the British ship pretending to be Mohawks. We traded from Hudson Bay in northern Canada down to Virginia. We and four other nations formed North America's first confederacy about 200 years after Chinghis Khaan's Yasa. We called George Washington, "The Destroyer of Longhouses" (our homes). Turtle Island history would be a bit different if we had a chance to write it from our perspective. If you want to hear what my language sounds like, go watch Last of the Mohicans. They couldn't find enough Huron or Mohicans (a sad thing, really), so they did all the dialogue in Mohawk. Thanks for the interest! Skennen'Kowa -- Go in Peace |
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Post by grmc12tarkhan on Aug 20, 2008 11:26:28 GMT 3
Hi there are many great women in Mongolian history
Gua Maral , Burte Chono`s wife. mongolians` ancestoral Mother
Alun Gua also very popular with her legend ''5 arrows ''
Chinggis Khaan Temujin`s Mother Eulen ujin ofcourse really influencial in our history.
Plus Burte /first queen of Mongolia/, Mandukhai, who unites Mongol again in mid 15th century
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 20, 2008 13:31:48 GMT 3
It's hard to choose between Hö'elün Eke and Börte Üjin  |
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Post by buddharosie on Aug 20, 2008 13:55:10 GMT 3
So tell me more about Borte Ujin and Ho'elun! |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 20, 2008 14:06:42 GMT 3
Hö'elün Eke is the wife of Yisügei Ba'atur and the mother of Temüjin (future Činggis Qan), while Börte Üjin is the wife of Temüjin (I use Classical Mongolian versions of these names instead of Modern Khalkha ones)  |
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Aug 21, 2008 2:04:53 GMT 3
hey buddharosie thanks for the infos
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Post by Bor Chono on Sept 6, 2008 17:37:30 GMT 3
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Post by Subu'atai on Nov 23, 2008 14:18:48 GMT 3
Not to mention Sorkhokhtani who was instrumental in stabilising the vast Mongol Empire. Our people in modern times may actually need a female leader lol
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 23, 2008 15:41:22 GMT 3
But she was not Mongol |
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Post by Subu'atai on Nov 23, 2008 17:51:59 GMT 3
... dang it
Fine but she was Mongol by injection!
Same thing I say about my missus! ;D
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Post by hjernespiser on Nov 25, 2008 8:56:13 GMT 3
Fine but she was Mongol by injection! Same thing I say about my missus! ;D That's the funniest thing I've read! ;D |
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Post by Subu'atai on Nov 25, 2008 10:58:38 GMT 3
Heh, ne ways in seriousness I'm not really sure of Kereyid origins myself as either Mongolic or Turkic. It's impossible to find facts in tribal research sometimes. For all we know, she could be Iranic  |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 25, 2008 13:12:47 GMT 3
Yeah, the Naimans look more Turkic, but the Kereyit are a bit problematic. Their elite have Turkic names and titles, but we don't know about the people. Unlike the Naimans, who had Turkic place names too as recorded in the Secret History of the Mongols, we have little knowledge about the Kereyit. But I guess they were more Turkic.
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And thank you for welcoming me to your forum. You guys are hilarious! And there's quite a few poets among you, too, but I digress....
a Mohawk with Mohawks?
