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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 18, 2004 20:27:09 GMT 3
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Post by DarkAttila on Feb 2, 2005 21:42:26 GMT 3
Really good paper this is the kind of stuff that I love reading. Btw, I noticed in his Bibliography that he cited - The Cambridge History of China: Volume 1, The Ch'in and Han Empires 221 BC-AD 220, man I've been wanting to buy a copy of this book for a few years now! If I recall it has the name of many Turkic tribes, I still remember reading about the Shato and Tolos (Spelling?) tribes.  |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 4, 2005 1:10:07 GMT 3
Yes, the Shatuo Tujue were a branch of the Chumi and Chumul who were themselves parts of the Western Gök Türks. They founded several minor dynasties in the years following the fall of the Tang Dynasty; during the rise of Chinggis Khaan and his Mongol Empire, they were known as the Öñgüt (Önggüt) who were border guards serving the Jin Dynasty. As time passed, they were absorbed into the Qazaq (Kazakh) Horde.
OTOH, I find the name Tölis being inaccurately used for Tiele, a common mistake done largely by Turkish as well as non-Turkish scholars. Tölis was the name used for the Eastern administrative half of the Eastern Gök Türk Qaghanate whereas Tiele was the ethnic name of many nomadic tribes of Euroasia.
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