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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 22, 2006 2:46:21 GMT 3
 In Walt Disney's animated movie "Mulan" (1998) our glorious ancestors, the Huns (Xiongnu), appear as the tough warriors in fur hats. The Huns destroyed the imperial army of China (unfortunately, in a movie only whatever remained of Chinese was shown), and they perished only from the cunning of the Chinese girl Mulan and her little detachment.  I want to note the significance of the main villain - the ruler of the Huns (shanyu) - as the unique example in the history of Disney movies. Unlike all of the Disney villains, he reaches his goals not by the cunning and insidiousness, but by the straight honest war. Unlike the majority of villains, he does not look ridiculous, he does not get in the stupid situations, and he does not sing idiotic songs. He is the villain who is impossible to laugh at throughout the whole movie - one of the reasons why the creators of "Mulan" were criticized.  The famous "avalanche" attack of the Huns, which was CG-modelled, is shown here, too! Enjoy: www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R-yPmcPl2c P.S. You can download these and other episodes from here: www.sendspace.com/file/p9c15l
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Post by erdene on Dec 22, 2006 3:38:50 GMT 3
I recently downloaded it...I love it  So I downloaded Mulan 2 and it was not very good, not worth watching it...will spoil Mulan 1. And on Mulan 2, the Mongols invade within a space of 2 months....but you don't see them. |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 22, 2006 8:17:33 GMT 3
Actually you do. In a very short scene. |
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Dec 22, 2006 16:14:22 GMT 3
That whole Mulan-nuts is rather offensive, I think...
I won't comment more...
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Post by erdene on Dec 22, 2006 18:56:50 GMT 3
You mean when they get ambushed in the valley.....those are bandits, I don't think they were Mongols.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 22, 2006 19:05:42 GMT 3
You mean when they get ambushed in the valley.....those are bandits, I don't think they were Mongols. Yeah, the ambush. I'm pretty sure they said those were the Mongols. I was very disappointed. |
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Post by balamir on Dec 22, 2006 19:22:04 GMT 3
Their leader Shan-yu...This is the name of another Turkic Tribe =) Erdene:No they were Hun Turks,but film's makers don't know this,they also made them monsters...  |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 22, 2006 19:40:57 GMT 3
balamir,
I don't find Huns monstrous.
"Shanyu" is not the tribe, but the title of the Xiongnu rulers. Erdene was talking about "Mulan 2" where the bad guys were played by the Mongolians.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Dec 22, 2006 20:21:33 GMT 3
I heard that there were protests about that Mulan in Turkey...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 22, 2006 20:49:53 GMT 3
Here is a short story of Huā Mùlán 花木蘭: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hua_MulanThe Shanyu guy was my favorite in the movie ;D Hmm I guess you confused it with another name Because Chányú (Ch'an-yü) 單于 was the title of Xiōngnú (Hsiung-nu, Asiatic Huns) 匈奴 rulers. Yes. When the movie came, Milliyetçi Hareket Partisi (Nationalist Movement Party) made a campaign to ban the movie from being shown in the theaters because the movie showed "our ancestors as barbarians" ;D Surely those MHP guys are definitially funny foolish ignorants  |
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Post by balamir on Dec 22, 2006 21:30:26 GMT 3
I red again,Peter B. Golden explaining a Turkic tribe named Shanyü.Want the page if you had the book?
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 22, 2006 21:31:59 GMT 3
Shan Yu as depicted in the game Kingdom Hearts II ( left) It is believed that Shan Yu's appearance was based on the Chinese ink drawing of the Genghis Khan-era commander ( right)   |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 24, 2006 14:59:13 GMT 3
I red again,Peter B. Golden explaining a Turkic tribe named Shanyü.Want the page if you had the book? Yes, can I have it please? |
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Post by Atabeg on Dec 24, 2006 16:32:23 GMT 3
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Post by balamir on Dec 24, 2006 17:36:51 GMT 3
I red again,Peter B. Golden explaining a Turkic tribe named Shanyü.Want the page if you had the book? Yes, can I have it please? Page 32,ý posted a pm to you  |
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So I downloaded Mulan 2 and it was not very good, not worth watching it...will spoil Mulan 1. And on Mulan 2, the Mongols invade 
