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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 17, 2004 0:20:15 GMT 3
(Originially posted by me at October 11, 2004)---- Can someone please inform us about the Donghu? When did they appear in written sources? Who were their ancestors? What were the unique parts of their culture? How should we classify them, Tungusic or Proto-Mongolic? Thanks in advance 
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Post by battleaxe on Jan 31, 2005 2:58:52 GMT 3
i have heard the name mentioned many times in connection to early koreans...especially silla.
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Jul 2, 2006 19:35:23 GMT 3
Well it sounds like they are Eastlake(Donghu) Chinese
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Post by Bor Chono on Jul 9, 2006 6:43:30 GMT 3
I know that Hu was old name for Mongols. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 10, 2006 0:36:25 GMT 3
Not just Mongols but all the "Foreigners" living across the border of Northern China. So this also included Turkic peoples and perhaps even others as well. The ancestors of Mongolic peoples made up the Eastern branch of the Hu.
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Post by Bor Chono on Jul 10, 2006 14:32:46 GMT 3
All foreigners are called "Barbarians" or "Nu"="Slave".
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Post by Atabeg on Jul 26, 2006 23:01:42 GMT 3
I know that Hu was old name for Mongols. and dong means east so donghu means east mongols or eastern mongols |
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Jul 26, 2006 23:23:54 GMT 3
Hu was not representing only Mongols...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 27, 2006 21:02:05 GMT 3
and dong means east so donghu means east mongols or eastern mongols More correctly, "Northern Foreigners of East". |
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Post by Bor Chono on Jul 31, 2006 10:48:33 GMT 3
So these Donghu are helped chinese to defeate Zhizhi. After fall of Hun they took power & founded (named themselves?) Sumber(=Syambi/Sienpi -maybe Shambal hahaha..). Mongols are sure that Sumber was their direct ancestors, because word Sumber(=name of a mountain means Highest) & it`s 33 Mongol guardian tribes are very famouse among Halha & Buryat Mongols ( -Buryats say there were 12-13 guardian tribes).(I don`t think Sumbers were Hamnigans(=Zurchins=Manchu) -even they always lived in East.). |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 31, 2006 18:08:45 GMT 3
After being defeated by Modu Chanyu of the Xiongnu, the Eastern Hu broke into two parts: the Xianbei and the Wuhuan.
AFAIK the Xianbei didn't help the Han in their campaign against the Western Xiongnu.
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 1, 2006 4:00:56 GMT 3
I think they helped, because they just watched what was happening!
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Post by tadamson on Aug 1, 2006 14:46:51 GMT 3
I know that Hu was old name for Mongols. and dong means east so donghu means east mongols or eastern mongols no.. these names predade Turks and Mongols |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 1, 2006 16:25:23 GMT 3
They predate only the names Turk and Mongol; but they don't predate Turkic and Mongolic peoples.
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 2, 2006 3:14:43 GMT 3
we all are the northern tribes
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