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Post by Subu'atai on Nov 22, 2008 14:05:49 GMT 3
what does this mean? nomad not European?! Mentality of Magyars before Christianization of Hungary. Not many act as such though nowadays. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 22, 2008 15:10:57 GMT 3
That's quite interesting  |
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Post by Subu'atai on Nov 22, 2008 15:21:08 GMT 3
Aye, some actually hate Christianity for colonising and Europeanising their country, as well as trying to destroy their roots. These people also have a rather interesting view towards battle of Mohi, blaming Europe rather then us for their defeat.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 22, 2008 18:38:00 GMT 3
Aye, some actually hate Christianity for colonising and Europeanising their country, as well as trying to destroy their roots. These people also have a rather interesting view towards battle of Mohi, blaming Europe rather then us for their defeat. I think like those Magyars about christianity.  |
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Post by ALTAR on Nov 22, 2008 19:09:12 GMT 3
There was a group called Monotheists among Hungarian Panturanists . They refused Christianity and wanted to convert all Hungarians to their ancient Tengrist religion. However, other Hungarian Turanist groups resisted their anti-christian sentiment strictly. So that there was big clashes btwn these groups. Monothesist accused some other Turanists and the groups with having Non-Hungarian ethnicity.
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Post by hjernespiser on Nov 22, 2008 19:15:49 GMT 3
This is really funny. Some Hungarians hate Christianity because they were forceably converted after Honfoglalas (the Conquest) while others embrace it and try to say that the Hungarians were Christian before Honfoglalas.
I read that at the Battle of Mohi the Hungarian forces were made up mostly of foreign knights because none of the Hungarian aristocracy wanted to send their troops out to help the king, instead staying locked up in their castles as good defense against nomads.
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Post by Subu'atai on Nov 23, 2008 13:58:26 GMT 3
You too? Haha This is now really encouraging me to find more Finns and Hungarians and go on an anti-churchie campaign just for the hell of it  OMG =O Hmm this is actually quite interesting. I had actually heard from numerous Hungarians in regards to their view on this battle. One common view is that King Bela IV rode from flank to flank clanging swords and shields urging his people to remember their roots and fight with their past nomadic ferocity in defense of their homeland. I never found the source of this legend however. This legend got to me quite early though I never found the source of it. But it actually made me respect Hungarians at the very least. If what you said is true, and if this legend is also true - then it could explain their defeat at Mohi. Hungarians had a proud warrior culture once, I heard in medieval tournaments as well there was a saying in Germany "Fight like a Hungarian". |
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Post by hjernespiser on Nov 23, 2008 23:52:32 GMT 3
I could be thinking of the Battle of Mohacs...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 24, 2008 0:41:31 GMT 3
Now, that one was one hell of a battle ;D
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Post by hjernespiser on Nov 24, 2008 8:14:53 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 24, 2008 21:47:02 GMT 3
It's from Denis Sinor, after all  |
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Post by Maotun on Dec 17, 2008 5:54:52 GMT 3
I could be thinking of the Battle of Mohacs... yes you did, at Muhi the troops were made of mainly from Hungarians with the foreign knights of the Knights Templar the Hungarian nobles weren't there at Mohacs only the troops of the bishops and some local lords |
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Post by Maotun on Dec 17, 2008 6:12:10 GMT 3
Are there no other Hungarians on this board? Quite a few misunderstandings here. I hope to correct them later. I am one. Which misunderstandings are you thinking to? |
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Post by hjernespiser on Dec 17, 2008 9:39:22 GMT 3
Are there no other Hungarians on this board? Quite a few misunderstandings here. I hope to correct them later. I am one. Which misunderstandings are you thinking to? Read the beginning of this thread for starters 1) The Puszta is the last place to find "original" Magyars (unless you're into archaeology). 2) Magyars were not ethnically Turk. They were Magyar! 3) Magyars today are not descended from primarily Germans and Slavs. They are distinct genetically from those groups. |
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Post by Maotun on Dec 17, 2008 11:25:03 GMT 3
I am one. Which misunderstandings are you thinking to? Read the beginning of this thread for starters 1) The Puszta is the last place to find "original" Magyars (unless you're into archaeology). 2) Magyars were not ethnically Turk. They were Magyar! 3) Magyars today are not descended from primarily Germans and Slavs. They are distinct genetically from those groups. I can answer on two momentary: According to the most recent genetic studies, about the 10 percent of the current population have asiatic eastern genetic roots, this equals to the rate of the old nobility I think, the others have European genetic similarities, but I don't know exactly what they consider as European. But the old Hungarians of the 9th century who have conquered the country were anthropological homogeneous and they were the same as the proto-Bulgars or of common ancestry. I am currently translating two articles (besides the Madjars) on this topic too: - Sensational exploration results on the home-conquerer Hungarians - Anthropological sensation and the Bolgar-Hungarian relations I will post these then. |
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