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Post by Asparuh on Jan 15, 2012 22:19:46 GMT 3
Hmmm... I think there are reasonable explanations for both. I have no clue about the similarity with Sardinia and Sicily in present sample Common European genetic substratum. Apparently, pre-Magyar inhabitants of Hungary shared similar DNA to other Europeans. It probably even comes back from the pre-Indoeuropean DNA pool. , also North Ossetia when comparing the ancient's dna with present countries. That's not surprising at all either. North Ossetians are believed to be ancestors of Scytho-Sarmatians and Alans that also were a part of Magyar ethnogenesis. Some Hungarian legends actually have visible parallels in Ossetian Nart epics. Moreover, even according to Hungarian legendary history Magyars originate from Hunor and Magor and daughters of Alanic prince Dulo. Alanic prince Dulo ? Is that has something to do with the Bulgar dinasty DULO of Khan Kubrat ? |
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Post by Asparuh on Jan 15, 2012 22:27:58 GMT 3
You mean Bogomils from Bulgaria ?
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Post by massaget on Jan 30, 2012 2:13:19 GMT 3
Alanic prince Dulo ? Is that has something to do with the Bulgar dinasty DULO of Khan Kubrat ?
If yes there must be some ossetian word in bulgarian language. Do you know about any ?
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Post by Ardavarz on Jan 31, 2012 1:06:10 GMT 3
That prince is mentioned in the Hungarian genealogical legend. In the text itself it's not explicitly stated that he was Alanic - this is a suggestion because there was an Ossetian clan called Dula. Whether it was related to the Hunno-Bulgarian dynasty Dulo is not clear. Actually there is many similar tribal names all over Eurasia like for instance the clan Dulat from Kazakh Senior Juz ("-t" is an archaic plural suffix in Old Turkic corresponding to Mongolian "-ut").
As for the common words in Ossetian and Bulgarian - there are such, even though not numerous, I think, most likely inherited from Scythian. Here are some examples:
Ossetian kuj, kwydz = Bulgarian kuche, dial. kytsi - "dog", Hungarian kutya (from Scytian *kuti).
Ossetian æz = Bulgarian az - "I" (pers. pron. 1 p. Sg.) (from Old Northern Iranian *azam).
(These two can be found in Kurdish too. BTW kurd in Ossetian means "blacksmith").
Occetian k'inyg, kinugæ , kiwnugæ = Bulgarian kniga, old kyniga - "book". (In "Jagfar Tarihï" is told that old Bulgarian pre-Cyrillic writings were called kunig).
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Post by massaget on Apr 26, 2012 13:40:01 GMT 3
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Post by massaget on Nov 11, 2012 15:01:28 GMT 3
That prince is mentioned in the Hungarian genealogical legend. In the text itself it's not explicitly stated that he was Alanic - this is a suggestion because there was an Ossetian clan called Dula. Whether it was related to the Hunno-Bulgarian dynasty Dulo is not clear. Actually there is many similar tribal names all over Eurasia like for instance the clan Dulat from Kazakh Senior Juz (" -t" is an archaic plural suffix in Old Turkic corresponding to Mongolian " -ut"). As for the common words in Ossetian and Bulgarian - there are such, even though not numerous, I think, most likely inherited from Scythian. Here are some examples: Ossetian kuj, kwydz = Bulgarian kuche, dial. kytsi - "dog", Hungarian kutya (from Scytian *kuti). Ossetian æz = Bulgarian az - "I" (pers. pron. 1 p. Sg.) (from Old Northern Iranian *azam). (These two can be found in Kurdish too. BTW kurd in Ossetian means "blacksmith"). Occetian k'inyg, kinugæ , kiwnugæ = Bulgarian kniga, old kyniga - "book". (In "Jagfar Tarihï" is told that old Bulgarian pre-Cyrillic writings were called kunig). Sorry for the late answer but yes the text explicitely states that kind Dula is Alanic. (Simon Kezai Gesta Hungarorum, 4. chapter.) When Kezai explains us the life of Hunor and Magor and their tribes in Meotis swamps near the Persian border, he states : in the 6th year they moved out from the swamps and they went to a field where the wives and children were of Belar's warriors, left alone. They took all the women with them to Meotis, but they took two daughter's of the alani "king" Dula. one is married by Hunor the other daughter is by Magor. From that day all Huns and Magyars took their origin from this two woman. |
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Post by Ardavarz on Nov 12, 2012 1:52:36 GMT 3
Indeed. It's my mistake - I've probably used some abridged version of the text at that time, I can't remember now.
Very interesting, anyway...
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Post by massaget on Nov 12, 2012 21:47:40 GMT 3
Yes quite interesting even more if we analyze it deeper.
Among Belar's men there were the daughter's of the Alan king Dula. Belar's man are probably bulgarians.
And all huns and hungarians took his origin from 2 Alanic woman ? Wtf.. ? This sentence doesnt get enough attention.
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