Hungarians

[Modu Tanhu]

Im just tired of Magyars hopelessly trying to prove they are "Turanian" or "Altaic" or "Hunnic" or "Turkic" or whatever it is related to those.

Let me first say this: I won't deny the fact the Magyars had admixture with other people.

Secondly let me say this: Magyars are not the only one who are mixed. EVERY people on earth is mixed, be it with a Turk, Persian or Chinese.

Thirdly; the MAGYAR tribe is a Finno-Ugric tribe and your ancestors are Uralic. PERIOD.

By saying Magyars are Turkic or Hunnic just because Atilla was in Hungary or that Hungarians have some Asian blood is saying the same that the Turks are actually Indo-European!

Because Turks have also IE admixture and we don't deny that.

But what Magyars do is this: they choose the part of Asian blood they have and claim that it is because of the great hero Atilla, so Magyars are Altaic!
Oh and also they think they are Hunnic just because they have some Turkic loanwords xD what a joke.

Then according to the same theory as you Turkish people are partly Persian, partly Arabic, Partly French because we have much Persian, Arabic and French loanwords!

If everyone on earth did that then whole Europe is actually Turkic, Turkish people are Indo-European and all Central Asians are Chinese.

NO, Magyar people claiming they're Altaic are OBSESSED with the Hunnic Empire and by Atilla Khan.

It is not even politicaly or historicaly accepted by Hungary itself xD so why are you still trying?
Why does the HUN Sarkozy hate us so much then? Aren't we blood brothers with him?

Oh and you also say Hungary comes from HUN + gary. Wtf is Hungary? A Hun named Gary? hahahhahaahah.

Yeah I am a bit angry because it is the 100000th time a Hungarian tells they are Altaic and claim the Turkic hero Atilla.

Conclusion; Magyars are NOT our Turkic brothers we don't accept you as Altaic, Magyars are, YES, Finno-Ugric and your language is Finno-Ugric also! PERIOD.

[jamyangnorbu]

Sept 16, 2011 17:17:20 GMT 3 Modu Tanhu said:

Conclusion; Magyars are NOT our Turkic brothers we don't accept you as Altaic, Magyars are, YES, Finno-Ugric and your language is Finno-Ugric also! PERIOD.

<sarcasm>
It is nice to finally meet someone with the authority to speak on behalf of all the turkic peoples of the world.
</sarcasm>

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Sept 16, 2011 17:17:20 GMT 3 Modu Tanhu said:

Im just tired of Magyars hopelessly trying to prove they are "Turanian" or "Altaic" or "Hunnic" or "Turkic" or whatever it is related to those.

Let me first say this: I won't deny the fact the Magyars had admixture with other people.

Secondly let me say this: Magyars are not the only one who are mixed. EVERY people on earth is mixed, be it with a Turk, Persian or Chinese.

Thirdly; the MAGYAR tribe is a Finno-Ugric tribe and your ancestors are Uralic. PERIOD.

By saying Magyars are Turkic or Hunnic just because Atilla was in Hungary or that Hungarians have some Asian blood is saying the same that the Turks are actually Indo-European!

Because Turks have also IE admixture and we don't deny that.

But what Magyars do is this: they choose the part of Asian blood they have and claim that it is because of the great hero Atilla, so Magyars are Altaic!
Oh and also they think they are Hunnic just because they have some Turkic loanwords xD what a joke.

Then according to the same theory as you Turkish people are partly Persian, partly Arabic, Partly French because we have much Persian, Arabic and French loanwords!

If everyone on earth did that then whole Europe is actually Turkic, Turkish people are Indo-European and all Central Asians are Chinese.

NO, Magyar people claiming they're Altaic are OBSESSED with the Hunnic Empire and by Atilla Khan.

It is not even politicaly or historicaly accepted by Hungary itself xD so why are you still trying?
Why does the HUN Sarkozy hate us so much then? Aren't we blood brothers with him?

Oh and you also say Hungary comes from HUN + gary. Wtf is Hungary? A Hun named Gary? hahahhahaahah.

Yeah I am a bit angry because it is the 100000th time a Hungarian tells they are Altaic and claim the Turkic hero Atilla.

Conclusion; Magyars are NOT our Turkic brothers we don't accept you as Altaic, Magyars are, YES, Finno-Ugric and your language is Finno-Ugric also! PERIOD.

I agree.

[hjernespiser]

Modu Tanhu,

Today's Magyar are heavily mixed. One cannot help being such in that "high-traffic" location! But to say their ancestors are (only) Uralic is denying your own first and second propositions. The scholarly consensus agrees with you about the Finno-Ugric stuff when the context is language. Most Magyar don't really care anyway about the whole debate; having a pride in being just Magyar. They actually don't like Turks very much because the Ottomans invaded and destroyed the kingdom which is why they find it rather funny when Turks try to act as brothers towards them. It was only when the Hapburgs and, later, the Communists wielded the idea that Magyars are descended from poor forest-dwelling hunter-gatherers as a tool for political oppression did they begin to take an interest in Turanian brotherhood.

Porphyrogenitos was wrong to call Hungarians "Turks". And all those funny names like Arpad, Sarolt, Gyula... those certainly were Uralic.

[Modu Tanhu]

If you accept other ancestors than your own tribe just because you have some other blood than Uralic then you are a DÖNEK, a RENEGADE.
My mother and father are Turkic!!!! And I know they are most probably mixed in history, but this doesn't take away the fact that my ancestors are Turkic!! I am Turk, my family is Turk and my tribe is Turk.

And btw, I have researched MANY researches about Magyar DNA.

And guess what, you people don't even have more than 1-2% Asian DNA, which is not even related to Turkic DNA. So your legends about being an admixture of Turkic people just FAILS.

Whatever you say: YOU ARE NOT TURKIC, ASIAN, ALTAIC, HUNS OR TURANIC OR WHATEVER IT IS RELATED TO TURKIC. THAT'S IT WE, DON'T EVEN ACCEPT YOU!!!

DISCUSSION OVER.

[hjernespiser]

Modu Tanhu,

I see that you're very passionate about this subject because your posts come across as emotionally charged. I cannot claim to understand where that emotion is coming from although I've also had my own share of dealing with Magyars who are selective with their facts. I simply mean to point out some logical problems with your thinking that makes it difficult to understand, like that your first, second, and third propositions are mutually exclusive from each other. Another example that is difficult to understand is when you bring up genetics. You say Magyars are (only) Uralic and that their 1-2% Asian DNA is not related to Turkic. Assuming that, shouldn't they be closer to Uralic DNA than Turkic DNA then? Isn't it true that their genetic relatedness to Uralic is about as distant, if not more so, than their genetic relatedness to Turkic? So how are they Uralic? What basis are you using to make that claim? Are they Uralic by language only then? If we're talking about identity through language, then how can one be renegade from _blood_?

Let me just reiterate: most Magyars are proud at being Magyar. They are not renegades in that respect.

Lastly, I'd like to point out that steppe tribes have historically been inclusive rather than exclusive. They didn't say, "Oh this person is Uralic" or "This person is Altaic" and therefore they are not one of us, not accepted. They built whole empires with diverse peoples on unified socio-political identities.

[Modu Tanhu]

Ehm... your ancestors are Uralic you are NOT Altaic.

[hjernespiser]

No, my ancestors are German and Slavic. You are funny. You won't address any of the issues I pointed out.

[Modu Tanhu]

I thought you were Hungarian and with me saying "you are Uralic" I meant: Hungarians are Uralic.
I won't address your useless points because they're ABSURD.

Hungarians are Uralic, Turkish are Altaic. Why do you start babbling about DNA, blood admixture and about different ancestors? Let's say if a Turk has 50% Altaic DNA and 50% Indo-European DNA, then this does not mean that half of their ancestors are Turkic and the other 50% are Indo-European.
Instead, this just means: he is a descendant from Turkic people who had admixture in the past!
Just as simple as it is!

And if you are Germanic and Slavic then I really don't get why you are advocating the absurd obsession of HUN Gary-ans that they're hoping they are Altaic.

I've just proven who the funny one is HA HA HA!

[Modu Tanhu]

Oh and one more thing, to answer one of your useless, needless points, Hungarian DNA is for more than 90% Indo-European and the rest is related to the Uralic people.

Then according your theory, Magyars must be proud being the descendants of Soghdians, Sassanids, Scythians, Germans because they have 90% Indo-European blood!

Oh don't forget they should divide a portion of their full glory to the remaining 10% of their DNA and be 10% proud of their remaining ancestry!

They should change their Hun and Atilla obsession to the obsession of Indo-European people because Hungarians are 90%-95% Indo-European then?

But it is really obvious why the HUN Gary-ans claims the Huns and Atilla the Hun, because they're too obsessed with their greatness and with the leadership of Atilla the Hun. Soooo obsessed and jealous, and yeah, Magyars just TRY to take over OUR ancestors because Huns lived in Hungary and because their are some loanwords in their Uralic language. What a joke cmon, they believe in their absurd legends and myths and they try to prove to US, the people that belong to the same race as the Huns, that Atilla the Hun was an ancestor of the Magyars? They go even as far as saying Atilla the Hun was a Magyar!

HOW SAD CAN THAT BE!!!!!

HA HA HA, rather funny, not?

[hjernespiser]

I'm not advocating that Hungarians are Altaic. I'm advocating that most Hungarians are Hungarian and proud of it and actually don't like Turks very much because of the history with the Ottoman Empire. I wrote about DNA because you brought it up. I'm just asking you to address and clarify what looks like some problematic areas of your argument.

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Calm down Modu Tanhu, and please check your language when you are talking with a moderator, a member of the Staff. Hjernespiser doesn't advocate that the Magyars were Altaic. And indeed, actually the Hungarians had mixed a lot with various Turkic peoples such as the Onogurs, Qabars (a branch of the Khazars?), Cumans, etc. But yes, the original Magyars were an Uralic people as everyone agrees here. And not every Hungarian believes that they are Altaic Huns, only some wacko nationalists do.

[hjernespiser]

Then according your theory, Magyars must be proud being the descendants of Soghdians, Sassanids, Scythians, Germans because they have 90% Indo-European blood!

I didn't realize I was advancing such a theory! My theory was that Magyars are proud to be Magyars. It doesn't mean to be proud of only 90%.

We've all had our share of dealing with the "nationalist wackos". We need solid arguments to show where they are wrong and you'll find that I agree with you more often than disagree.

[Modu Tanhu]

Thats what I exactly said Ihsan Erkoc but I will keep on repeating myself if they keep on insisting with weird theories.

I've told in the posts before that I accept the fact none of the people are true and and that every man on earth is mixed.

BTW, I'm not the only one who should check his language.
My style of communication is this: AN EYE FOR AN EYE. (Bana dokunmayan yilan bin yasasin)

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

But as far as I could see, she didn't write anything that would have insulted you.