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Post by Subu'atai on Jul 22, 2010 15:45:44 GMT 3
Yes, too nice even. Then again, most Europeans I met are nice people. One thing I don't get however, is that in Australia -> Hungarians all seem more 'Mongol'-aligned then 'Turkic'-aligned. Now...
Is this because when the average Anglo thinks 'Mongol'... they think "HUNS! CHINGGHIS KHAAN! BARBARIANS! CARNAGE!" and not to mention South Park's little episode "Stupid Mongorians! Stop breaking down my sh-tty wall!!!" ;D
And when Anglos think 'Turk'... they think something more in the line of Islamic civilisation/middle eastern culture etc? So Hungarians just go "Mongol" so that they don't have to educate the majority of ignoratos? Meh, well, if my little theory is true, then its fine...
Because I do it too xD
They do that quite well, even better then other steppe people sometimes. Like that Hungarian master-horse-archer fellow, forgot his name sorry, my memory is useless and aged.
Despite the historical errors and conflicts/contradictions involved with Hungarian history, I have to admit they really have the spirit regardless of which text says this or that. This I'll never really understand fully.
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Post by sarmat on Jul 22, 2010 20:31:06 GMT 3
One thing I don't get however, is that in Australia -> Hungarians all seem more 'Mongol'-aligned then 'Turkic'-aligned. Now... That's probably because, historically Hungarians had much less "issues" with Mongols than with Turks... :-) |
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Post by hjernespiser on Jul 23, 2010 8:25:32 GMT 3
That seems to be true. Most Hungarians associate "Turks" with the Ottomans (like the rest of Europe) and the loss of the Kingdom to the Hapsburgs. It is a sore point in the history of Hungary. In the meantime, my understanding is that Turks tend to view Hungarians as brothers. A few years ago I had such an experience when the Turkish guy at the parking lot in San Francisco saw the Hungary sticker on my car and tried to connect by telling me he was Turkish and pointing at the sticker.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jul 23, 2010 15:21:03 GMT 3
Hmmm I would have thought it also had to do with the educational system and it's curriculum no?
Rather then bias? Meh... or both?
I guess in Australia, during history classes folks are just taught the very basics of ancient/medieval/imperial history while focusing more on the 20th century and the 2 world wars. The only thing taught about Turks here is that Australia participated in WW1 fighting the Turks at Gallipoli. Nothing else really, but then again, I may not have been paying much attention at that age xD
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Post by sarmat on Jul 23, 2010 20:18:00 GMT 3
It's not taught in most of the world. And why should it be taught on the other hand? Are kids in Mongolia taught a lot about Australia?
The information that most people know about Australia is limited to kenguru.
And, I'm sure, in Hungary Ottoman occupation is a big part of the history curriculum (which is natural) but hence the bias originates.
On the other hand, seems the steppe connection is taught too as well, otherwise the steppan stuff wouldn't be that popular in Hungary at all.
But, that bias, is actually mostly against the Turks from Turkey. But Hungarians do "like" other Turks, they are fond of Bashkirs and Kazakhs for example.
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Post by jamyangnorbu on Jul 23, 2010 23:20:15 GMT 3
I recently got back from visiting family and friends in both Slovakia and Slovenia, and the impact of the Ottoman invasions on these Central European countries is readily apparent in the many zámok and hrad/grad that line their southern and eastern portions. While in Slovakia, I visited the Nový Zámok in Banská Štiavnica which features a museum dedicated to the Ottoman Invasion and the subsequent Hungarian and Slavic resistance. I'm posting a link to a gallery of photos from this museum and the town in case they are of interest to anyone here. Banská ŠtiavnicaThe photos of the fortress/museum start at number 27. |
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Post by Subu'atai on Jul 24, 2010 14:43:24 GMT 3
Very true Sarmat, anymore history in the curriculum and the kids will all be Zzzzzz... Only so much one can fit xD And yes, when people think of Australia they think of Kangaroos or Steve Irwin: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlDXZywedvc Crikey! Heh, that man was a real legend in my opinion. |
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Post by Asparuh on Jul 28, 2010 22:40:06 GMT 3
Hey Guys i don´t really think the Australians have clear idea what are the Hungarians.
For instance in Spain some people are so ignorant that they don´t know what further than Germany.Mani Spanish people never left their country.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jul 29, 2010 15:36:16 GMT 3
Of course Aussies don't. The only mention of Hungary in Australian high school curriculum is during WW1 studies in regards to Austria-Hungary (in terms of History classes), or where the country is even located (in Geography classes).
Many Anglos don't seem to travel much either compared to other Europe-originated ethnics I found actually (Or maybe just the Europeans I met were just the most well-travelled folk of their ethnic ) In Australia, most just go to Bali, or Fiji, or Aotearoa for holidays.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 30, 2010 11:37:38 GMT 3
On the contrary, I have seen many Brits travelling, especially in Turkey  They even settle down in the southwestern towns and form their own colonies, especially around Fethiye and Marmaris ;D Bodrum is a popular destination for them too. |
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Post by laudatortemporisac on Jul 31, 2010 1:43:23 GMT 3
Brits has very adequate knowledge about Hungarians:  Headhunter Ogre from the East  , Shrek the Ogre The EU citizen ;D ;D ;D ;D The name of "Ogre" derives from Ugor, Ungar, in opinion of some scholars. I'm satisfied this.  |
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Post by Subu'atai on Jul 31, 2010 14:21:08 GMT 3
On the contrary, I have seen many Brits travelling, especially in Turkey They even settle down in the southwestern towns and form their own colonies, especially around Fethiye and Marmaris ;D Bodrum is a popular destination for them too. Pommies eh? |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 31, 2010 21:08:44 GMT 3
Indeed |
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Post by Asparuh on Aug 6, 2010 19:14:20 GMT 3
Hahahhahaha,Funny pictures.We spoke about Hungarians last night with some friends of mine here in Spain.There are a lot of people from Slovakia here ,so this is close to Hungary.It was mostly for their language,which seems to have something with the finnish.Also you know about the existance of the Finno-Ugric peoples.Bulgaria had alot of conflicts with Hungarians.eventually they lost all of their eastern territories around Dobrudja and Dniepr and Dnester river and settled in Pannonia plain.The Hungarians were sobourned many times by the Vyzantines in case to attack other countries like Bulgaria for example.They lost Transylvania also,but there are still some hungarians living in this area in Rumania today.
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Post by Asparuh on Aug 15, 2010 1:52:23 GMT 3
Here is a pic of combined Magyar-Bulgar training with a Bow. It´s good we have this tradition preserving organisation now called BAGATUR,who else dominated the bow better that we did on the Balkans. |
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They even settle down in the southwestern towns and form their own colonies, especially around Fethiye and Marmaris ;D Bodrum is a popular destination for them too.