Agent Orange, children and the Viet Nam War

[Arkhanson]

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Owowowow

[Arkhanson]

after the genetic mutations

[Jagatai Khan]

*shocked and finding no words to say"*

[Jagatai Khan]

btw what is "agent orange"??

[Lannes]

jagatai said:

btw what is "agent orange"??

It's just a mix of two herbicides. It kills weeds and vegetation (very powerful).

U.S. military used it in Vietnam to clear the dense vegetation, the purpose obviously being to make the ambushes and stealthy movements of the Vietnamese easier to detect.

[Kolaksay]

Agent Orange is the code name for a powerful herbicide and defoliant used widely by the U.S. military during the Vietnam War. Agent Orange was used from 1961 to 1971 and has disputedly caused serious harm to the health of exposed Vietnamese, Canadians and Americans, their children and grandchildren. It was part of a family of herbicides, named after the color of their storage drums, that include the more powerful and dangerous Agent Purple, Agent Pink, and Agent White.

During the Vietnam War, Agent Orange's official military purpose was to remove the leaves of trees to prevent guerrilla fighters of the National Liberation Front from hiding. Agent Orange is a colorless liquid: its name was from the color of the stripes on the barrels used to transport it.

Agent Orange as a military defoliant was discontinued in 1971, after over 6,000 spraying missions in Vietnam and Cambodia; 2,4-D continues to be widely used as an herbicide. The use of 2,4,5-T has been banned in the U.S. and many other countries.

Agent Orange was found to have toxic dioxin contaminants which have been blamed for causing health disorders and birth defects in both the Vietnamese population and U.S. war veterans. It has also been found to have carcinogenic properties.

An April 2003 report paid for by the National Academy of Sciences concluded that during the Vietnam War, 3,181 villages were sprayed directly with herbicides. Between 2.1 and 4.8 million people "would have been present during the spraying." Furthermore, many U.S. military personnel were also sprayed or came in contact with herbicides in recently sprayed areas. The study was originally undertaken for the U.S. military to get a better count of how many veterans served in sprayed areas. Researchers were given access to military records and Air Force operational folders previously not studied. The re-estimate made by the report places the volume of herbicides sprayed between 1961 and 1971 to a level 7,131,907 liters more than an uncorrected estimate published in 1974 and 9.4 million more liters than a 1974 corrected inventory. It was produced under contract for the Army by Diamond Shamrock, Dow, Hercules, Monsanto, T-H Agricultural & Nutrition, Thompson Chemicals, and Uniroyal.

On January 31, 2004, a victim's rights group, the Vietnam Association for Victims of Agent Orange/Dioxin (VAVA), filed a class action lawsuit in a US Federal District Court in Brooklyn, New York, against several US companies, for liability in causing personal injury, by developing and producing the chemical. Dow Chemical and Monsanto were the two largest producers of Agent Orange for the US military, and were named in the suit along with eight other companies. A number of lawsuits by American GIs have been won in the years since the Vietnam War.

On March 10, 2005, the District Court judge dismissed the suit, ruling that there was no legal basis for the plaintiffs' claims. The judge concluded that Agent Orange was not considered a poison under international law at the time of its use by the US; that the US was not prohibited from using it as an herbicide; and that the companies which produced the substance were not liable for the method of its use by the government. The US government, which has sovereign immunity, had not been a target of the lawsuit. However, in 1984, chemical companies that manufactured Agent Orange paid $180 million into a fund for United States veterans following a lawsuit.

The National Toxicology Program has classified 2,3,7,8-TCDD, the dioxin in Agent Orange, to be a known human carcinogen, frequently associated with soft-tissue sarcoma, Non-Hodgkin lymphoma, Hodgkin disease and chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL).
(Wikipedia)

[Jagatai Khan]

One more thing for dislike against America

[Kolaksay]

Stalin caused the murder, by execution and forced collectivization, of millions of Kazakhs. Tamerlane's armies stacked tens of thousands of innocent civilian heads in pyramids. Not even the dogs escaped the obliteration of Baghdad by the Mongols. Crusaders rode their warhorses "fetlock-deep" in the blood of the innocent (Christian, Jew, and Muslim alike) in Jerusalem. The final blow to the Great Library of Alexandria was the Muslim leader who declared that whatever agreed with the Koran was superfluous, and whatever conflicted with it was heretical, and so all the knowledge should be burned. Japan slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Chinese in Nanking. Shaka Zulu created an empire on the corpses of the peaceful. The Soviets committed untold atrocities in Afghanistan. The Chinese are currently waging a secret war of extermination against the non-Han of Xinjiang. Janjaweed and Sudanese troops are pillaging Darfur with ferocious glee. In the deep jungles of central Africa, millions of innocent hide in terror from the rampaging murdering gangs of a half-dozen nations and militias.
One more thing to dislike about humans.

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Crusaders rode their warhorses "fetlock-deep" in the blood of the innocent (Christian, Jew, and Muslim alike) in Jerusalem.

The Christians weren't touched at Jerusalem (they were in Antioch)

The final blow to the Great Library of Alexandria was the Muslim leader who declared that whatever agreed with the Koran was superfluous, and whatever conflicted with it was heretical, and so all the knowledge should be burned.

That is prooved to be a false tale made up bu an Assyrian priest several centuries after the Muslims captured Alexandria. The Great Library wasn't in existence when the Muslims came.

[Kolaksay]

1. "...on July 15...the crusaders murdered almost every inhabitant of Jerusalem. Muslims, Jews, and even eastern Christians were all massacred. Although many Muslims sought shelter in Solomon's Temple (Al-Aqsa Mosque), the crusaders spared few lives. According to the anonymous Gesta Francorum "...the slaughter was so great that our men waded in blood up to their ankles..." Tancred claimed the Temple quarter for himself and offered protection to some of the Muslims there, but he was unable to prevent their deaths at the hands of his fellow crusaders. According to Fulcher of Chartres: "Indeed, if you had been there you would have seen our feet coloured to our ankles with the blood of the slain. But what more shall I relate? None of them were left alive; neither women nor children were spared...."

2. I mindlessly repeated the old medieval accusation, even though on reflection I remembered that the Library no longer existed after about 400CE. My bad. I was on a ranting roll about the non-denominational, non-ethnic, "equal opportunity" nature of human inhumanity and I wanted to include as much idiocy as I could. I demonstrated my own idiocy.