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Post by Atabeg on Jun 21, 2007 18:37:33 GMT 3
So we all know that the caucasus is a meltingpot of cultures but I was wondering about 3 things. 1. Muzic were did the music of the caucasus come from. Was it us who brought it there or was it teh Circassians or teh Georgians. 2. Dance the movements in the kafkas folk dance have movements I have seen in varrious CA folkdances and alot of uigur dances. 3. Traditional clothing; THose cloths look almost identical to Turkmen clothes so whats the deal here could anyone explain? or is it a mix? just look at this clip www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv5LPa-6wYg georgian version www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rputvka_FCU our version thank you ;D Atabeg shad
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2007 18:51:36 GMT 3
I don't think this can be answered by anyone. Like you said, it's a melting pot of cultures so everything must just be mixed.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 23, 2007 1:14:55 GMT 3
Must be interaction between the Turks and the natives. Both sided, I mean.
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Post by Atabeg on Jun 23, 2007 2:14:58 GMT 3
I mean the music doesn't realy sound Turkic
but the cloths are almost identical to Turkmen clothes and the dance moves look verry similar all over CA
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Post by ALTAR on Jun 23, 2007 12:07:22 GMT 3
but the cloths are almost identical to Turkmen clothes and the dance moves look verry similar all over CA The clothes are very similar with Turkmens. You are absolutely right. I think its reason is related with Stavropol Turkmens who escaped from Kalmyk invasion against Central Asia in the last of XVII th Century and the begining of XVIII th century. then they were settled Stavropol Krai(Province) by the Russian. Mainly they communicate with Nogai, Kumyks(relative Turk tribes) but it seems that they had influenced other Caucasians too with their clothes.
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Post by mesinik on Oct 23, 2007 20:23:19 GMT 3
Somebody said, nobody can't be an expert of Caucasian culture ... since there are so many different cultures present in Caucasus, it isn't possible for one man to know them all.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 23, 2007 21:24:24 GMT 3
That must be true ;D
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Post by Atabeg on Dec 6, 2007 22:00:26 GMT 3
I wonder what the reason is between the verry good relations between the people of the caucasus (except Armenia recently 100 years) & the Turks who came in conact with the region?
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 7, 2007 1:07:00 GMT 3
The relationship between Turks and Caucasians are far from "verry good". Turks are despised and even hated by the Caucasians from Dagestan and Karachay-Balkaria to Azerbaijan. Caucasian music and culture is native to Caucasus. Turkic culture and music elsewhere is quite different. I don't think that Turkmen clothes are similar to Caucasians'. Turkmens wear typical plain Central Asian robes Caucasians wear costumes with gazyri If there're similarities between Caucasians and Turks elsewhere, it's probably due to the Turkic influence on Caucasus, no the other way around.
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Post by Atabeg on Jan 10, 2008 22:59:23 GMT 3
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Caucasus-ethnic_en.svgif you look at the map you'll see that the Turkey is all Kurdish with some Azeri spots on Kars but what got my attention was the most north point of Turkey(posof) there is a Turkmen spot (dark grey/blackish) anybody know whats this map is about?
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Post by kokturk on Jan 10, 2008 23:31:32 GMT 3
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Caucasus-ethnic_en.svgif you look at the map you'll see that the Turkey is all Kurdish with some Azeri spots on Kars but what got my attention was the most north point of Turkey(posof) there is a Turkmen spot (dark grey/blackish) anybody know whats this map is about? The guy who drew this map must be weird. There is no Kurd in Posof and Borçka. In kars, Iğdır and Ardahan there is no Kurdish majority, it about 50-50.
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Post by Atabeg on Jan 11, 2008 20:30:47 GMT 3
posof is Turkmen on the map
but I keep hearing from people that more and more Kurds are settling up north
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Post by Temüjin on Jan 11, 2008 20:51:03 GMT 3
most of so-called Krasnodar Kray should be Ukrainian, not Russian.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 13, 2008 20:06:34 GMT 3
The map claims that every piece of land where the kurds exist, regardless of being the minority or the majority, is dominated by the kurds. It is inaccurate. However, this is going to be how the situation is going to become in the following several decades.
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